Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
1) Pacquiao fans have made people hate him.
2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
1) Pacquiao fans have made people hate him.
2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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Who is hating on Mayweather for taking a hypothetical fight with Pacquiao? It's the most in demand fight in the entire sport.

Have you heard anyone talking about the Mayweather-Marquez fight? All they talk about is why isn't he fighting Pacquiao who isn't he facing Mosley or Cotto.

Well Cotto has Mosley, Berto, P. Williams, maybe even Mayweather, but he accepts a fight from the smaller Pacquiao.

The point I am making is that in both cases the Mayweather-Marquez and the Pacquiao-Cotto fight, the best fighter will win no because of size, but because of skill and natural ability.

This confused me at first, I am tired as hell.

Ok looking at Taeth's last post, people hold Mayweather to a higher standard. Some people will say this is wrong, I don't think it is, he's thought of by most, or at least was, as the best fighter in the world. Cotto isn't. I hold Manny to a higher standard than Cotto too as do most people.

Second, in this case the little guy is actually favored, Floyd is seen as having a more winnable fight than Cotto. People taking perceived harder fights are given more credit. Boxing fans tend not to believe somebody can do something (for example, fight at a higher weight class, in JMM's case a much higher weight class) until they've done it, JMM hasn't, Manny has. There are other reasons too, one being JMM is older than Manny, had some rough moments in his last fight, etc.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
1) Pacquiao fans have made people hate him.
2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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1. No, it's not people hating PAC because of his fans (actually PAC fans are people who loves to have fun all the time), IMO it's more of people believing PAC has a chance to defeat Cotto even at 147...

2. Very true... Cotto isn't PBF just like PBF isn't Cotto...

Now, let's try to switch opponents and let's see what happens...;D

Cotto fighting JMM, do you hate Cotto for taking on the smaller JMM?

PBF fighting PAC at 143, do you hate PBF for letting PAC climb to 143 instead of fighting PAC at 140?

This could be some fun...;D
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no people have a problem with him going up and down the weights, wanting catch-weights, and refusing to move up and fight someone below a weight he has previously fought at.

Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

People won't hate on Cotto because he's consistently taken on dangerous opponents who other people haven't wanted to fight, and therefore he deserves the benefit of the doubt on his choice of opponents.

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Well Cotto has Mosley, Berto, P. Williams, maybe even Mayweather, but he accepts a fight from the smaller Pacquiao.

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He's already fought Mosley, and I'd challenge anyone to prove that Andre Berto is more dangerous than Pacquiao. Williams is a middleweight.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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I'd agree with the Floyd win...

As for Cotto, I'd alsoi have to agree, he's shown nothing to suggest he could catch Pacquaio

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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I think that Cotto has, first, to find a better trainer than his nutritionist.

i think the point is as well that cotto has fought, mosley and margarito and mayweather has refused to take a fight with all 3 of those guys, also cotto has fought a couple of boxer who beat him in the ama, people value it when a fighter willing takes tough fights...............also it was pac-man who told arum he wants cotto and cottos said yes......if you take tough fights, lay it all on the line, even after loseing you take a tough hard to look good against man like clottey whille also being a well manner alround goodguy its pretty hard to dislike a fighter like that................mayweathers a rude, arrogant, cocky flashy.....and full of excusesing as to not fight cotto, mosley, margarito, and pac-man....its very easy not to like him

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Have you heard anyone talking about the Mayweather-Marquez fight? All they talk about is why isn't he fighting Pacquiao who isn't he facing Mosley or Cotto.

Well Cotto has Mosley, Berto, P. Williams, maybe even Mayweather, but he accepts a fight from the smaller Pacquiao.

The point I am making is that in both cases the Mayweather-Marquez and the Pacquiao-Cotto fight, the best fighter will win no because of size, but because of skill and natural ability.

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Cotto has already fought Mosely, Margarito, and Clottey; three of the top five fighters in his division. No one will trash him for fighting Pacquiao because he's fought the rest of the division already. Mayweather hasn't fought even one of the top five welterweights.

Other than Freddie Roach who questioned why PBF didn't wait until after the Pacquiao fight to choose his next fight, no one talks about why Mayweather isn't fighting Pacquiao now, only why Mayweather won't fight a top five welterweight.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

no people have a problem with him going up and down the weights, wanting catch-weights, and refusing to move up and fight someone below a weight he has previously fought at.

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To be fair against Pacman I don't think he's ever fought at a catch weight in any of his fights yet. And I believe it should be that way. And some may say what about the Oscar fight? As I've stated before it's unreasonable to have the guy jump 3 weight classes to fight Oscar from 135 so they met at the 147 limit.

Its not hating its just that when mayweather fights people you already know he's gonna win cause he goes for money fights and not high risk fights. I've been dying to see mayweather fight a Mosley or Cotto or williams. And the reason i call those names out because these guys are in his weight class who are dangerous and deserving. How is it that he hasn't fought these people??? money???? well what happened to having balls and taking dangerous fights??? Pacquiao is moving up showing balls making this cotto fight moving up. Mayweather returning having people move up in 2 weight classes likes its no good fights at welter... what would be the difference in fight cotto mosley or wililiams when it comes 2 pound 4 pound??? I dont understand and Mayweather fans wanna help me understand??

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no people have a problem with him going up and down the weights, wanting catch-weights, and refusing to move up and fight someone below a weight he has previously fought at.

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To be fair against Pacman I don't think he's ever fought at a catch weight in any of his fights yet. And I believe it should be that way. And some may say what about the Oscar fight? As I've stated before it's unreasonable to have the guy jump 3 weight classes to fight Oscar from 135 so they met at the 147 limit.

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Very well said... PAC never fought at catchweight before... The Hoya "catchweight" is very well justified since the 2 boxers being 3 divisions apart... Why not give PAC one catchweight fight before he retires?? ...
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Have you heard anyone talking about the Mayweather-Marquez fight? All they talk about is why isn't he fighting Pacquiao who isn't he facing Mosley or Cotto.

Well Cotto has Mosley, Berto, P. Williams, maybe even Mayweather, but he accepts a fight from the smaller Pacquiao.

The point I am making is that in both cases the Mayweather-Marquez and the Pacquiao-Cotto fight, the best fighter will win no because of size, but because of skill and natural ability.

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Cotto has already fought Mosely, Margarito, and Clottey; three of the top five fighters in his division. No one will trash him for fighting Pacquiao because he's fought the rest of the division already. Mayweather hasn't fought even one of the top five welterweights.

Other than Freddie Roach who questioned why PBF didn't wait until after the Pacquiao fight to choose his next fight, no one talks about why Mayweather isn't fighting Pacquiao now, only why Mayweather won't fight a top five welterweight.

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Baldomir was the unified champion when Mayweather beat him, and Judah was the unified champ right before Baldomir beat him, and he was in the top 5 when he faced floyd.

Also who is coming off the two year layoff? Can someone refresh my memory about how JMM-Pacman I and II went? Did Marquez not stand his own against Pacquiao, and clearly showed he is in the very highest caliber of fighters? Isn't it Cotto and not Mayweather that is a natural welterweight? Isn't Cotto and not Mayweather who actually uses size to his advantage?

Well because Mayweather has not fought Cotto, Mosley or Margarito and lets no forget about the likes of Clotty and Williams either. Stop all this hes not a welterweight he not making it for any other division. And he chose to go up to the weight so all the crap he gets it is his fault.

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no people have a problem with him going up and down the weights, wanting catch-weights, and refusing to move up and fight someone below a weight he has previously fought at.

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To be fair against Pacman I don't think he's ever fought at a catch weight in any of his fights yet. And I believe it should be that way. And some may say what about the Oscar fight? As I've stated before it's unreasonable to have the guy jump 3 weight classes to fight Oscar from 135 so they met at the 147 limit.

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Very well said... PAC never fought at catchweight before... The Hoya "catchweight" is very well justified since the 2 boxers being 3 divisions apart... Why not give PAC one catchweight fight before he retires?? ...
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Pac hasn't fought anyone at a catchweight because no one is quick to take that boobytrap. Everyone saw what the catchweight did to DLH. And lets keep it real. Pac has tried to get every welterweight at a catchweight. Roach even said he wouldn't let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. I wonder why? The smallest welterweight is deemed a 147 pound fight and the bigger welterweights must drop below 147. They want them drained just like DLH. Its very tactical for them and very dangerous for the opponent. Although Mosley said he would agree to the catchweight and short money. I am curious why Pac and Roach didn't take Mosley up on his offer after he called their bluff. Must've deemed it was still too dangerous.

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Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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:vd: I actually expected better from you. How stupid of me

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Well because Mayweather has not fought Cotto, Mosley or Margarito and lets no forget about the likes of Clotty and Williams either. Stop all this hes not a welterweight he not making it for any other division. And he chose to go up to the weight so all the crap he gets it is his fault.

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Margarito is a joke, did you see what MOsley did to him? Cotto fought MOsley weeks before Mayweather fought Hatton, how could have a fight between him and Mayweather been reasonable until after Cotto fought Mosley? ANd by then Mayweather had a contract with Hatton, then he was suppose to fight Oscar again like most people wanted.

Mayweather jumped to 154 to face Oscar, why aren't you complaining that he didn't face the top 154 pounders? Why don't you complain about why Mayweather in 2007' didn't face the best guys today, which weren't the best guys back then.

Clottey was legitimately in the discussion, either was Mosley or Cotto or WIlliams or Margarito. But dont' say Mayweather didn't fight the top WW's when he won the belt, he got the linear championship somehow. PS. I think people should watch the Baldomir-CLottey fight because despite the fact Clottey was winning, it was a pretty competitive fight.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
1) Pacquiao fans have made people hate him.
2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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why hate cotto? imo i think pac can beat cotto even on 147 so it ain't a debate about mismatches either. cotto is'nt the same after that margo fight (that jennings fight don't mean a thing) so that adds to my point.
him and pac in the ring can be equated as: exciting fighter + exciting fighter = an exciting fight. plus what pac did against hatton and hoya made people respect him: he is really a one in a million guy that can jump off weights and beat the best guy in there. imo the only two guys that can post a challenge for him is pbf and jmm (the latter being pac's kryptonite.)

Teath he was the legit champ yet when he comes back has no thought i defending or trying beat out the top guys thats why people are on him. As for Oscar he is a cash cow only reason he fought him nothing else. Teah say what you want but if he does not face top ww then he is going to get crap about it he has all the power in world to make the fights we while see i guess hes got alot of skills but his resume could be better and i hope he does alot of good fights to happen.

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Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.

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That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.

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That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.

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No i wouldn't Miguel Cotto is still very much the same fighter, but i think the excuses above are valied.

Because pretty much everyone agrees ODLH was a weight drained punchbag, and alot of fighters would of beaten that version of ODLH.

And i think everyone agrees Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since Kostya Tszyu fight, and people have been saying that even before the Manny Pacquiao fight.

Carlos Quintana may not be as good as Manny Pacquiao, but he is a slick fighter with good movement. Yet Miguel Cotto soon caught up to him.

I haven't seen any performance from Manny Pacquiao that leads me to believe, he would stand a chance against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.

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That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.

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No i wouldn't Miguel Cotto is still very much the same fighter, but i think the excuses above are valied.

Because pretty much everyone agrees ODLH was a weight drained punchbag, and alot of fighters would of beaten that version of ODLH.

And i think everyone agrees Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since Kostya Tszyu fight, and people have been saying that even before the Manny Pacquiao fight.

Carlos Quintana may not be as good as Manny Pacquiao, but he is a slick fighter with good movement. Yet Miguel Cotto soon caught up to him.

I haven't seen any performance from Manny Pacquiao that leads me to believe, he would stand a chance against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Pacster would have beat Hatton at any time of Hatton's career. Watch the Magee fight.

Oscar was a shriveled mess, yes, but that doesn't mean any fighter would have slaughtered him the way Pacster did.

You're the excuses king, ICB, don't try and make out you wont be making excuses. ;)

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That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.

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No i wouldn't Miguel Cotto is still very much the same fighter, but i think the excuses above are valied.

Because pretty much everyone agrees ODLH was a weight drained punchbag, and alot of fighters would of beaten that version of ODLH.

And i think everyone agrees Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since Kostya Tszyu fight, and people have been saying that even before the Manny Pacquiao fight.

Carlos Quintana may not be as good as Manny Pacquiao, but he is a slick fighter with good movement. Yet Miguel Cotto soon caught up to him.

I haven't seen any performance from Manny Pacquiao that leads me to believe, he would stand a chance against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Pacster would have beat Hatton at any time of Hatton's career. Watch the Magee fight.

Oscar was a shriveled mess, yes, but that doesn't mean any fighter would have slaughtered him the way Pacster did.

You're the excuses king, ICB, don't try and make out you wont be making excuses. ;)

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Didn't i just say Manny Pacquiao would of beaten any version of Ricky Hatton ? but you can't just base that on one performance.

ODLH was rubbish in that fight any top 147 pound fighter, would of beaten ODLH like a red headed step child. ODLH hasn't fought at Welterweight since 2001 agaisnt Arturo Gatti, and the last time he was below 146 was in 1997 against Miguel Angel Gonzalez, if that isn't proof enough i don't know what is.

You know it and i know it, don't try and make out that Manny Pacquiao, is the only fighter that would of beaten a weight drained ODLH like that.

Because that is reaching just to try and prove your point, when the fact is ODLH was rubbish and he was rubbish in sparring aswell. Getting the crap knocked out of him by the smaller Victor Ortiz.

Im the king of excuses since when ? i give fighters credit but if there is circumstances surronding a certain fight. Then yes i will point it out like everyone else does on here.

;D This isn't rocket science, Cotto is the underdog, why would he be criticized for taking a fight most people think he will lose.

People aren't getting at Cotto for fighting Manny because he doesn't have a history of fighting people smaller than himself. Mayweather has been criticised for this ( and also "dodging" certain welterweights ) and got it again when he signed to fight JMM, unfairly in my opinion.

Manny beats Cotto quite easily, then Floyd beats Manny.

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No i wouldn't Miguel Cotto is still very much the same fighter, but i think the excuses above are valied.

Because pretty much everyone agrees ODLH was a weight drained punchbag, and alot of fighters would of beaten that version of ODLH.

And i think everyone agrees Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since Kostya Tszyu fight, and people have been saying that even before the Manny Pacquiao fight.

Carlos Quintana may not be as good as Manny Pacquiao, but he is a slick fighter with good movement. Yet Miguel Cotto soon caught up to him.

I haven't seen any performance from Manny Pacquiao that leads me to believe, he would stand a chance against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Pacster would have beat Hatton at any time of Hatton's career. Watch the Magee fight.

Oscar was a shriveled mess, yes, but that doesn't mean any fighter would have slaughtered him the way Pacster did.

You're the excuses king, ICB, don't try and make out you wont be making excuses. ;)

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Didn't i just say Manny Pacquiao would of beaten any version of Ricky Hatton ? but you can't just base that on one performance.

ODLH was rubbish in that fight any top 147 pound fighter, would of beaten ODLH like a red headed step child. ODLH hasn't fought at Welterweight since 2001 agaisnt Arturo Gatti, and the last time he was below 146 was in 1997 against Miguel Angel Gonzalez, if that isn't proof enough i don't know what is.

You know it and i know it, don't try and make out that Manny Pacquiao, is the only fighter that would of beaten a weight drained ODLH like that.

Because that is reaching just to try and prove your point, when the fact is ODLH was rubbish and he was rubbish in sparring aswell. Getting the crap knocked out of him by the smaller Victor Ortiz.

Im the king of excuses since when ? i give fighters credit but if there is circumstances surronding a certain fight. Then yes i will point it out like everyone else does on here.

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Prove my point? I don't have to prove anything. You're the one claiming Pacster's wins are tainted.

For you to be right, you must PROVE any other top 147 fighter would have done as good a job as Pacster. Can you prove that? No you can't, because no other 147 fighter fought Oscar that night. So you're wrong. Fact.

You deal with suppostion, I deal with the facts. ;)

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Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
1) Pacquiao fans have made people hate him.
2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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1. No, it's not people hating PAC because of his fans (actually PAC fans are people who loves to have fun all the time).

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No but people do want to see Pac lose and it's not because of Pac... it's because of people such as yourself.

I forgot to add, the reason why no one will hate on Cotto is because the guy has been a warrior. He fights anyone out there in the most talented division. I can't say the same for Floyd, while Manny will fight anyone out there he's now proposing catch weights.

Not to mentioned Cotto took a beating in the 8-11 rounds of the Margarito fight which many people have noticed Margarito all of a sudden seems to be punching harder. The theory was that the hand wraps had started to harden. Cotto is a warrior fighting someone that had plaster of paris handwraps agaisnt him.

And of course I'll admit it, I want to see Pacman take a savage beating, I'm pretty sure most of the boxing fans wants to see it and when it happens most of the boxing fans will be rejoicing. Not because I don't like Pacman or most boxing fans don't like him, it's just that the Pacman fans are the least knowlegeable about the sport and just a bunch of bandwagoners, racists, idiots, nationalists, etc. They really make Pacman fans look bad, hence why everyone now is against Pacman.

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Pacster would have beat Hatton at any time of Hatton's career. Watch the Magee fight.

Oscar was a shriveled mess, yes, but that doesn't mean any fighter would have slaughtered him the way Pacster did.

You're the excuses king, ICB, don't try and make out you wont be making excuses. ;)

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Didn't i just say Manny Pacquiao would of beaten any version of Ricky Hatton ? but you can't just base that on one performance.

ODLH was rubbish in that fight any top 147 pound fighter, would of beaten ODLH like a red headed step child. ODLH hasn't fought at Welterweight since 2001 agaisnt Arturo Gatti, and the last time he was below 146 was in 1997 against Miguel Angel Gonzalez, if that isn't proof enough i don't know what is.

You know it and i know it, don't try and make out that Manny Pacquiao, is the only fighter that would of beaten a weight drained ODLH like that.

Because that is reaching just to try and prove your point, when the fact is ODLH was rubbish and he was rubbish in sparring aswell. Getting the crap knocked out of him by the smaller Victor Ortiz.

Im the king of excuses since when ? i give fighters credit but if there is circumstances surronding a certain fight. Then yes i will point it out like everyone else does on here.

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Prove my point? I don't have to prove anything. You're the one claiming Pacster's wins are tainted.

For you to be right, you must PROVE any other top 147 fighter would have done as good a job as Pacster. Can you prove that? No you can't, because no other 147 fighter fought Oscar that night. So you're wrong. Fact.

You deal with suppostion, I deal with the facts. ;)

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Actually your wrong again how is it a "Fact" that no one else would of done that to ODLH ?

Its your opinion no one else wouldn't have, like its my opinion plenty of fighters could.

I've backed my comments up with facts, like its a fact that ODLH hasn't fought at Welterweight since he fought Arturo Gatti in 2001. Its a fact he hasn't been below 146 pounds since he fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez in 1997 over a decade.

Its a fact in sparring before the Manny Pacquiao fight, he got beat up by the smaller Victor Ortiz. Its a fact in the fight previous to the Manny Pacquiao fight.

He was marked up by the smaller Steve Forbes. Its a fact it was ODLH's worst performance of his career against Manny Pacquiao, its a fact he was badly weight drained.

And its a very strong opinion backed up by solid facts of the past, that most of the elite Welterweights. Would of beaten ODLH without too much trouble.

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Didn't i just say Manny Pacquiao would of beaten any version of Ricky Hatton ? but you can't just base that on one performance.

ODLH was rubbish in that fight any top 147 pound fighter, would of beaten ODLH like a red headed step child. ODLH hasn't fought at Welterweight since 2001 agaisnt Arturo Gatti, and the last time he was below 146 was in 1997 against Miguel Angel Gonzalez, if that isn't proof enough i don't know what is.

You know it and i know it, don't try and make out that Manny Pacquiao, is the only fighter that would of beaten a weight drained ODLH like that.

Because that is reaching just to try and prove your point, when the fact is ODLH was rubbish and he was rubbish in sparring aswell. Getting the crap knocked out of him by the smaller Victor Ortiz.

Im the king of excuses since when ? i give fighters credit but if there is circumstances surronding a certain fight. Then yes i will point it out like everyone else does on here.

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Prove my point? I don't have to prove anything. You're the one claiming Pacster's wins are tainted.

For you to be right, you must PROVE any other top 147 fighter would have done as good a job as Pacster. Can you prove that? No you can't, because no other 147 fighter fought Oscar that night. So you're wrong. Fact.

You deal with suppostion, I deal with the facts. ;)

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Actually your wrong again how is it a "Fact" that no one else would of done that to ODLH ?

Its your opinion no one else wouldn't have, like its my opinion plenty of fighters could.

I've backed my comments up with facts, like its a fact that ODLH hasn't fought at Welterweight since he fought Arturo Gatti in 2001. Its a fact he hasn't been below 146 pounds since he fought Miguel Angel Gonzalez in 1997 over a decade.

Its a fact in sparring before the Manny Pacquiao fight, he got beat up by the smaller Victor Ortiz. Its a fact in the fight previous to the Manny Pacquiao fight.

He was marked up by the smaller Steve Forbes. Its a fact it was ODLH's worst performance of his career against Manny Pacquiao, its a fact he was badly weight drained.

And its a very strong opinion backed up by solid facts of the past, that most of the elite Welterweights. Would of beaten ODLH without too much trouble.

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No.. I never said that. You are confusing yourself. You need to focus on what I am saying.

Nobody apart from Pacster fought Oscar on the 06-12-2008. That is a fact. Therefore it is impossible to know for a fact that any other fighter would have been more impressive than Pacster. That is a fact.

You THINK any top fighter at 147 would have beaten Oscar that night. But you can't PROVE it. It's just an OPINION because It's IMPOSSIBLE to prove. That is a fact.

I too believe other fighters would have beaten Oscar that night. BUT it doesn't mean Pacster's performance should be sullied. ;)

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Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
1) Pacquiao fans have made people hate him.
2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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Well there is a big difference if you are talking about a possible Cotto vs Pac fight and floyd vs Marquez.

1)Pac has looked just as strong if not stronger than most his opponents since moving up from 130 while Marquez was being manhandled at 135 by Juan Diaz until he outsmarted him.

2)Pac has great speed that up to this point seems unrivaled. Marquez although a great boxer in his own right doesn't have that equalizer at higher weights.

3)Pac looks comfortable at around 140 and i don't see Marquez beating a top 10 Jr welter.

Good enough?

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Despite the size disparity people will be perfectly fine with this fight because
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2) Cotto isn't Mayweather.

I love the hypocritical nature of boxing.

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1. No, it's not people hating PAC because of his fans (actually PAC fans are people who loves to have fun all the time).

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No but people do want to see Pac lose and it's not because of Pac... it's because of people such as yourself.

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Normal people don't wanna see PAC and/or Cotto lose coz they're both warriors... Irrational people tho wants PAC to lose because of his fans?? Totally nonsense reasoning...
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Who's talking about wanting to see Cotto lose? :rolleyes:

Now one wants to actually see Pac himself lose, they just want it to happen because his retarded minions need a good slap across the face which is exactly what it would be if he lost.

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PBF TKOs Pac FACT
Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

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I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact. ;D

Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.

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I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.

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JMM style suits him way better againt southpaws then Mayweather's, we've seen Mayweather not look great against Zab Judah and Demarcus Corley.

Also I think you are way over estimating Cotto, he's the guy who went life and death with Ricardo Torres, almost was ko'ed by Demarcus Corley, and he was stunned several times against Zab Judah. Manny will beat Cotto quite badly MARK my words. I don't even see it being super competitive, no way can Cotto close the gap quick enough, you have to be close to land a solid left hook if you are incapable of leaping in(which COtto is), and Manny will be moving away from that left hook all night, he won't allow the slow footed Cotto to corner him, and he will land at will against Cotto because Cotto has an average defense in overall(sometimes he does amazing things defensively, but generally he is easy to hit), he can be hurt (say what you want but Manny hurts people that people wouldn't expect him to, and Cotto definitely isn't the guy with the toughest chin Manny has ever faced).

ALl I've seen from you ICB are excuses of why Manny doesn't deserve credit for beating Hatton or Oscar De La Hoya, but Oscar looked fine against Forbes, sure he was focused on defense, but his offensive looked good at 150, that is three pounds above where he fought Manny, and sure you can make a legitimate excuse that Oscar was weight drained, but great fighters still are tough to beat even if they are facing adversity, and Manny dominated him. Not only that but Manny destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds, and you can't say Hatton was way past his prime because thats not true, he looked as good against Paulie as he did against anyone near his "prime".