Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz avoiding Malignaggi rematch

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Malignaggi did more than enough to win his fight with Diaz and was plain as day robbed. Golden Boy and Diaz should have the common decency and courtesy of giving Malignaggi an instant rematch, but instead they run looking for pots of treasure.

I dislike Richard Schaefer who appears to be nothing more than Golden Boys resident propagandist. He comes across as a horribly plastic human being. And Diaz reminds me of nothing more than an overactive blubbery seal. You just need to draw some blood and then harpoon him.

Malignaggi is stylistically difficult and Diaz simply doesn't want to try and work him out. It annoys me when fighters refuse to acknowledge boxing robberies by refusing rematches.

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Malignaggi did more than enough to win his fight with Diaz and was plain as day robbed. Golden Boy and Diaz should have the common decency and courtesy of giving Malignaggi an instant rematch, but instead they run looking for pots of treasure.

I dislike Richard Schaefer who appears to be nothing more than Golden Boys resident propagandist. He comes across as a horribly plastic human being. And Diaz reminds me of nothing more than an overactive blubbery seal. You just need to draw some blood and then harpoon him.

Malignaggi is stylistically difficult and Diaz simply doesn't want to try and work him out. It annoys me when fighters refuse to acknowledge boxing robberies by refusing rematches.

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It was not a robbery by any stretch of the imagination, it was a close fight that could've gone either way; Malignaggi said so himself. The scores were completely out of whack, but a legitimate argument can be made that Diaz won the fight. I had him winning by one round.

The majority of people thought Malignaggi won the fight. Here's a poll Fight News did after the fight. Those who thought it could go either way or that Diaz won are in the minority.

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I thought Malignaggi outworked Diaz quite convincingly and has a very good case for a rematch on his own turf. It's a shame that The blubbery seal has no desire to prove the public wrong.

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The majority of people thought Malignaggi won the fight. Here's a poll Fight News did after the fight. Those who thought it could go either way or that Diaz won are in the minority.

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I thought Malignaggi outworked Diaz quite convincingly and has a very good case for a rematch on his own turf. It's a shame that The blubbery seal has no desire to prove the public wrong.

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That doesn't make it a robbery.

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The majority of people thought Malignaggi won the fight. Here's a poll Fight News did after the fight. Those who thought it could go either way or that Diaz won are in the minority.

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I thought Malignaggi outworked Diaz quite convincingly and has a very good case for a rematch on his own turf. It's a shame that The blubbery seal has no desire to prove the public wrong.

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That doesn't make it a robbery.

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You can argue semantics all you like. I think it was a robbery.

And one of the great post fight interviews. Malignaggi admits it was close, but he is right in that he did outbox Diaz. He says he was robbed too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTnhWoFXgr0

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The majority of people thought Malignaggi won the fight. Here's a poll Fight News did after the fight. Those who thought it could go either way or that Diaz won are in the minority.

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I thought Malignaggi outworked Diaz quite convincingly and has a very good case for a rematch on his own turf. It's a shame that The blubbery seal has no desire to prove the public wrong.

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That doesn't make it a robbery.

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You can argue semantics all you like. I think it was a robbery.

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A close fight that could have gone either way by it's very definition is not a robbery. It has nothing to do with arguing semantics.

I can't help but wonder how would Diaz fare against Hatton.

Many people were criticizing Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan and now that Juan was exposed, I can't help but also wonder what would have happened had he (Juan) fought against Pac.;)


edit: Hello there miles. Long time no talk.

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That doesn't make it a robbery.

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You can argue semantics all you like. I think it was a robbery.

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A close fight that could have gone either way by it's very definition is not a robbery. It has nothing to do with arguing semantics.

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Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on this fight then. It was a relatively close fight, but Malignaggi outworked Diaz down the stretch and fought the smarter fight for me. He deserved the win.

I'm sure neither of us could disagree that a rematch would be a decent fight and that it would be fair to have it outside of Texas. It doesn't seem to be on the cards though.

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I can't help but wonder how would Diaz fare against Hatton.

Many people were criticizing Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan and now that Juan was exposed, I can't help but also wonder what would have happened had he (Juan) fought against Pac.;)


edit: Hello there miles. Long time no talk.

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Now then Bruce. You are obviously missing me...;D

I wouldn't mind seeing Hatton/Diaz either. I just can't see Hatton coming back now though. It will have been a year since Pac before he is in any way ready to get near the ring again and I can't see that being good for someone who sups and eats like Hatton.

I would have much preferred Pac to fight Juan rather than David Diaz too. Would have been exciting while it lasted, whereas David Diaz was just a totally one sided beat down.

Not that Pacquiao has anything to do with this thread, but he would've absolutely smoked Diaz, who never would have seen his punches coming. It probably would have been more competitive that the other Diaz' fight, but it wouldn't have lasted as long.

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I can't help but wonder how would Diaz fare against Hatton.

Many people were criticizing Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan and now that Juan was exposed, I can't help but also wonder what would have happened had he (Juan) fought against Pac.;)


edit: Hello there miles. Long time no talk.

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Now then Bruce. You are obviously missing me...;D

I wouldn't mind seeing Hatton/Diaz either. I just can't see Hatton coming back now though. It will have been a year since Pac before he is in any way ready to get near the ring again and I can't see that being good for someone who sups and eats like Hatton.

I would have much preferred Pac to fight Juan rather than David Diaz too. Would have been exciting while it lasted, whereas David Diaz was just a totally one sided beat down.

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I miss the gay talk from you. LOL.;D;D;D

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Not that Pacquiao has anything to do with this thread, but he would've absolutely smoked Diaz, who never would have seen his punches coming. It probably would have been more competitive that the other Diaz' fight, but it wouldn't have lasted as long.

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LOL. Sorry for including Pac in this thread. I could not start a thread about it so with the spur of the moment I just have to ask about it.

David Diaz was a reasonable fight for Pac as he was the man who beat Erik Morales though I personally see that fight as a robbery on Erik's legacy.

Another question that has been in my mind is, how long would Juan last against Pac.

Regarding my question on Hatton vs Diaz, I'm wondering how would Diaz fare against Hatton given that Hatton handled Malignaggi easily.Of course styles make fight but given HAtton and Diaz' ability, styles won't really be a big factor here.:cool:

Damn Miles, robbery? WTF? NO, that was no robbery in fact the 117-110 scorecard was more in line (imo) then any scorecard that has Malignaggi ahead. Please go rewatch that fight and alert me when Malignaggi lands a significant fight EVER. When you're not powerful, you're not ACCURATE (which hasn't been talked about at all) and you're not slick defensively, wtf are you? Paulie Malignaggi who could fight that same fight a million times and would get the nod 1 out of 10 times, the judges live were right just listen to the difference of sound in the punches. I had it 116-112 and scoring it any closer would require giving Malignaggi rounds where he did NOTHING offensively. I don't want a rematch.

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Damn Miles, robbery? WTF? NO, that was no robbery in fact the 117-110 scorecard was more in line (imo) then any scorecard that has Malignaggi ahead. Please go rewatch that fight and alert me when Malignaggi lands a significant fight EVER. When you're not powerful, you're not ACCURATE (which hasn't been talked about at all) and you're not slick defensively, wtf are you? Paulie Malignaggi who could fight that same fight a million times and would get the nod 1 out of 10 times, the judges live were right just listen to the difference of sound in the punches. I had it 116-112 and scoring it any closer would require giving Malignaggi rounds where he did NOTHING offensively. I don't want a rematch.

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I watched the fight this morning, so it's pretty fresh in my mind. I had it about the same as when I watched it live too. I have no idea how you scored it 8 rounds to 4 in favour of Diaz.

Malignaggi was able to do what he wanted more than what Diaz was able to do. Malignaggi was throwing 80-100 punches a round and though less accurate than Diaz was able to fight his own fight with his movement, sharp jab and quick combos. Malignaggi boxed the ears off Diaz down the stretch, though do I think the 12th went to Diaz. Malignaggi might have less power, but he dictated more of the rounds.

The judges were too busy listening to the will of the home crowd rather than trying to adjudicate a fair fight. The scorecards were way off.

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I can't help but wonder how would Diaz fare against Hatton.

Many people were criticizing Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan and now that Juan was exposed, I can't help but also wonder what would have happened had he (Juan) fought against Pac.;)


edit: Hello there miles. Long time no talk.

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Now then Bruce. You are obviously missing me...;D

I wouldn't mind seeing Hatton/Diaz either. I just can't see Hatton coming back now though. It will have been a year since Pac before he is in any way ready to get near the ring again and I can't see that being good for someone who sups and eats like Hatton.

I would have much preferred Pac to fight Juan rather than David Diaz too. Would have been exciting while it lasted, whereas David Diaz was just a totally one sided beat down.

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I miss the gay talk from you. LOL.;D;D;D

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I do indeed talk the language of fragrant daffodils and quaint little daisies.

Close fight and no robbery at all.118-110 was the only problem I believe.Two totally contrasting styles...pick your poison.One thing though is what is up with all of the ranting MMa ish interviews lately?Have some cooth.Paulie had a point but I'd rather listen to fingers running across a chalkboard.

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

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I think their reply is very reasonable considering Paulie's outburst. I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, but I truthfully couldn't argue with someone who had it for Diaz 115-113 or 116-112, as there were A LOT of close rounds, & I scored more of these to Malignaggi because stylistically I thought he was doing better, but it was a close fight. NO WAY was that a robbery.

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

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I think their reply is very reasonable considering Paulie's outburst. I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, but I truthfully couldn't argue with someone who had it for Diaz 115-113 or 116-112, as there were A LOT of close rounds, & I scored more of these to Malignaggi because stylistically I thought he was doing better, but it was a close fight. NO WAY was that a robbery.

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I wouldn't say it was a robbery completely but when your not getting a fair shake from the moment you step foot in the ring in this case before whats the point of fighting? Schaefer has to be reasonable during all this cause there is an ugly cloud surrounding all this.

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

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Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

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Sorry my man, I completely disagree with you there. Paulie totally outclassed Juan imo. Guess I will have to rewatch this at some point tonight, watched a few times but to say Paulie wasn't landing anything?

;D Outclassed?

Then you must think it was a robbery no? If he outclassed him.

He landed a lot on arms and gloves. His best work was done keeping Diaz at a distance, he didn't land all that much really. Neither did Juan but I thought he was more effective overall. I don't care if people scored it for Paulie, it was a case of what do you favor, but "robbery" and "totally outclassed" is la la land IMO.

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Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

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Had not even realized the punch stats until the other night.I take them with a grain of salt but Diaz was credited with more power shots and total punches landed,and from what I remember was the one who wobbled Paulie.

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there ;D But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

Cotto/Clottey was far more controversial IMO.

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Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there ;D But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

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I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had) :rolleyes:

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

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That doesn't make it a robbery.

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You can argue semantics all you like. I think it was a robbery.

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A close fight that could have gone either way by it's very definition is not a robbery. It has nothing to do with arguing semantics.

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I thought it was a competitive fight, but with competent judging I can't really see how it could have gone either way.

Paullie won that fight for sure, he simply won more rounds. It's only the appalling standards of boxing judging generally that allows for conjecture and subjective opinion when the fight is not a landslide win for one guy.

I'm very suprised that anyone totalling up the rounds and scoring professionally could give that fight to Juan, who I thought was pretty badly exposed in that fight, against a non puncher who fought at a catchweight for him and came in dehydrated.

Diaz is finished as a top level fighter, but hopefully Paullie will get another shot at a big name in the future.

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Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there ;D But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

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I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had) :rolleyes:

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

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Yes neither of those were very close. I thought Quartey/Forrest was a bit commentary inspired also, I didn't think it was the absolute tragedy of justice most people thought it was.

I just can't grasp why so many would be so outraged about a guy not getting a decision when he just didn't even land many clean punches, forget effective since Paulie just can't punch, I'm just talking clean ones. So that's why I tend to think all the outrage was a bit commentary inspired.

Take Cotto/Clottey for example. I originally scored it for Cotto but changed it to Clottey after watching it again. Still it was close enough and a Cotto win is OK IMO. But Clottey beat Cotto's ass at times, didn't just use good ring generalship, beat him up, and rounds that were given to Cotto, outside of what the 6th where he wailed on him and the first where he dropped him, were given mainly cause Clottey did less than normal, or less than we thought he should, although even there you can make a good case he was still doing more than Cotto. Yet there there's really not much controversy. Why?

Assuming Lampley was rooting for Clottey, not Cotto like he was, wouldn't it be fair to assume that there would be a bit more controversy? Maybe not, I don't know. It may have influenced me, since I scored it for Cotto originally. Granted my abhorrence of Clottey and his complete lack of ambition may have skewed me too. I still think he could have easily won that fight.

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Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there ;D But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

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I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had) :rolleyes:

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

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Yep.Have never seen the total outrage.The commentary by Lampley was at times an exercise in calling phantom punches.He does it quite often and usually watch the replay Sunday morning after...."BIGGG RIGHT HAND" blah

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I can't help but wonder how would Diaz fare against Hatton.

Many people were criticizing Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan and now that Juan was exposed, I can't help but also wonder what would have happened had he (Juan) fought against Pac.;)


edit: Hello there miles. Long time no talk.

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Same here Bro, I remember those days when Juan was calling out Manny with a lady alongside the Baby Bull screaming WE WANT PACMAN, PACMAN. this kid belitlling Manny's accomplishments saying he beats up old champs. Now he has 2 losses vs much older competition and a very questionable win over Malignaggi whom Hatton just dominated, the Hatton that..............;)

The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..

It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).

Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:

a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.

b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.

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c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.

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The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..

It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).

Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:

a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.

b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.

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c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.

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I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.

Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.

Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.

It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.

John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?

I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.

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The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..

It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).

Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:

a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.

b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.

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c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.

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I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.

Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.

Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.

It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.

John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?

I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.

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PLENTY of people thought Diaz won. I may not be one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a large minority who felt that Diaz took it & scoring just 2 rounds the other way I would have had him winning. I'm guessing that those who weren't indignant at the result didn't feel the same need to go to every boxing website & declare their disgust in the same way some of those who felt Paulie won did.

My biggest thing is as Bilbo has already stated were, Paulie had to drop 2 pounds, fight in a small ring in houston 2 out of 3 judges from texas the other from oklahoma which ain't much better and the ref from texas as well. Paulie was never winning that fight

I would be okay with a 115-113 card for diaz, one of them were, 116-112 is hometown judging and 118-110 is just criminal

Paulie threw more shots, maybe not more power shots, but he did throw and land more punches overall

punch stats were 123/434 power for diaz 80/328 for paulie

total punches 178/663 diaz 191/949 paulie

with that paulie dictated most of the rounds, boxing beautifully and showing a great defense

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Originally Posted by markb018

My biggest thing is as Bilbo has already stated were, Paulie had to drop 2 pounds, fight in a small ring in houston 2 out of 3 judges from texas the other from oklahoma which ain't much better and the ref from texas as well. Paulie was never winning that fight

I would be okay with a 115-113 card for diaz, one of them were, 116-112 is hometown judging and 118-110 is just criminal

Paulie threw more shots, maybe not more power shots, but he did throw and land more punches overall

punch stats were 123/434 power for diaz 80/328 for paulie

total punches 178/663 diaz 191/949 paulie

with that paulie dictated most of the rounds, boxing beautifully and showing a great defense

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What that also shows is that Diaz was connecting at a significantly better percentage, supporting what Ouma said. I'd have to say of the 2 fighters, Diaz was the one who seemed to be winning rounds more decisively. I think pretty much every round I gave to him, he won decidedly. I think anyone looking at it honestly & forgetting the shit that happened afterwards, couldn't say that Paulie was winning ALL his rounds that decisively.

The scorecards were shocking, but Paulie did himself no favours beforehand & his comments about Raul Caiz Sr were just out of order. Shall we say that Don Trella can never be a judge for any of Paulie's fights because he's Italian-American? I had sympathy for him at the time, because I do feel he won, but it was very close & all his crying about it now just makes him seem a dick. Which is a shame because when he's not complaining about the world, he actually seems quite a cool guy.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..

It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).

Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:

a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.

b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.

or

c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.

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I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.

Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.

Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.

It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.

John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?

I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.

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PLENTY of people thought Diaz won. I may not be one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a large minority who felt that Diaz took it & scoring just 2 rounds the other way I would have had him winning. I'm guessing that those who weren't indignant at the result didn't feel the same need to go to every boxing website & declare their disgust in the same way some of those who felt Paulie won did.

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I've not seen a poll online where Diaz has got more than 20% of voter support, the overwhelming majority were in favour of a Malignaggi won.

But it's not just about the decision, it's the nature of it. Had Diaz edged a razor close decision then it would have been palatable but 118-110, please, that just demonstrates that Paulie had already lost the fight before he stepped into the ring.

He was chosen as a non puncher, was made to come in under weight to take away any edge he might have, and then it had already been predecided that Diaz would win the decision. Paulie could have put him down twice and he still would have lost on the cards.

It IS a robbery, it's corruption and no wonder Malignaggi is pissed. They did it here with McDermott too, he completely exposed TysonFury and then went on to lose a wide wide decision where the ref gave all but two rounds to Fury. At least the British board of control have ordered an immediate rematch but honestly this sport fucking sucks at times.

It's probably the same in most sports. We saw in Formula 1 how Renault cheated last year in Singapore by asking Piquet to crash his car into the barrier to bring out the safety car to secure an Alonso win.

You guys are deluding yourselves if you don't think that kind of thing goes on in boxing.

There was simply no way Juan was losing this fight unless by KO, and they handpicked a notorious non puncher to ensure that wouldn't happen, even forcing to fight at catchweight to take away any chance.

Sorry but all I can say is fuck Juan Diaz, fuck GBP and fuck the corrrupt judges who had their pockets lined for that fight.

Diaz is going nowhere anywhere as soon as he steps up he gets the shit kicked out of him and it will be sweet.

Blah blah blah cry for Paulie

It's one of those fights where a lot of the rounds were the same, Paulie did better then expected, he was fast, NOT SHARP (which people have called him sharp, it baffles me he almost never landed cleanly), danced on the outside and 10 seconds Diaz had on the inside he made up for 40 seconds Paulie had outside dancing doing nothing. Score that fight minute by minute, round by round (I don't care about commentary) and actually tell me that Paulie did the more meaninfgul work in the fight.

Also, Diaz got almost no credit with the jab but in the rounds he won he had the better jab then Paulie most of the rounds. He was timing Malignaggi's jab perfectly as Paulie came in with it and was using it to do actual damage and set up his punches. Had the commentators spent 12 rounds gushing about the timing Diaz was doing with his jab and it's a different fight.

IDK how Cotto-Clottey came up but that was the exact OPPOSITE as this fight imo. Clottey was the one imposing himself physically but just didn't know how to win individual rounds from a guy who's been doing that all his life. Flip the role here, Malignaggi gave the illusion that he might have been stealing rounds and winning rounds because of all the tassles he had on and did NO damage, just gave the illusion of damage with the cut on Diaz.

Viva La Gale Von Hoye.

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Originally Posted by amat

Blah blah blah cry for Paulie

It's one of those fights where a lot of the rounds were the same, Paulie did better then expected, he was fast, NOT SHARP (which people have called him sharp, it baffles me he almost never landed cleanly), danced on the outside and 10 seconds Diaz had on the inside he made up for 40 seconds Paulie had outside dancing doing nothing. Score that fight minute by minute, round by round (I don't care about commentary) and actually tell me that Paulie did the more meaninfgul work in the fight.

Also, Diaz got almost no credit with the jab but in the rounds he won he had the better jab then Paulie most of the rounds. He was timing Malignaggi's jab perfectly as Paulie came in with it and was using it to do actual damage and set up his punches. Had the commentators spent 12 rounds gushing about the timing Diaz was doing with his jab and it's a different fight.

IDK how Cotto-Clottey came up but that was the exact OPPOSITE as this fight imo. Clottey was the one imposing himself physically but just didn't know how to win individual rounds from a guy who's been doing that all his life. Flip the role here, Malignaggi gave the illusion that he might have been stealing rounds and winning rounds because of all the tassles he had on and did NO damage, just gave the illusion of damage with the cut on Diaz.

Viva La Gale Von Hoye.

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Fuck you all, its you people disagreeing with me that reminds me why I like being banned so much.

I'm right and you're wrong, period.

The key to being a fighter like Malignaggi is you have to be accurate and you have to be slick, he's really neither. He's fast, he knows how to work on the outside and he knows how to keep his output up but that's about it. IMO he shares the same dilemma with Rayonta Whitfield whom I used to be very high on but he's just not accurate enough and he seems to get hit to much. Simple as.

Bilbo, you are the Rayonta Whitfield of forum posters.