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Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?
first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
yeah that a while ago, and since cotto has been at his proper weight he's only seriously been hurt by margo. And that was from an accumilation
It's sorta funny how before Dirrell fought Froch people brought up how he was knocked down in his 7th pro fight as evidence of a suspect chin. But if someone brings up the Corley Cotto fight in terms of him being stunned people will say it was a while ago and it doesnt count now ;D
I fully expect Cotto to be stunned this fight but Cotto has maybe the best recovery in all of boxing right now. He's been stunned multiple times and often his best moments in the fight come immediately after he's been buzzed. Seriously, it's a pattern and if Judah could sneak in the left hand as Cotto comes forward then Pacquiao surely will. Will that be enough? I don't think so. This is a GREAT fight.
Im with AMAT on this one, Cotto is as cool and measured operator as there is in Boxing, sure he might get stunned but he keeps his wits and manages to be effective and dangerous even if he's seeing stars..
JMM wobbled Pac a few times with his counterpunching and IMO Cotto will inflict more damage at 145+ than Marquez will when he lands clean on Manny.
I am not convinced that Pac can take the kinda punishment a solid guy like Cotto can dish out.
Yeah i think it very possible that Pac can hurt Cotto. I think the chop chop fight is a good point. The reason being is that chop chop was a smaller fighter with decent power (not great) but he was able to land a nasty shot that had cotto on queer street. Chop chop did this not with power but with speed and timeing. Chop Chop was able to turn cotto and box and move the whole fight untill the dumb ass ref stopped it. Then we hear one of the all time great bias Jim Lampely comments. "The ref stops a fight that Cotto was going to win anyway". What fight were you watching Jim?
Now with that being said PAC and Chop Chop have very different styles.
Great speed almost always conquers great power. Pac is definitely the faster fighter. Cotto is certainly not slow...in fact his speed is underrated...but if he goes into this fight purely trying to chase Pac, pin him against the ropes, and hurt him...he will be in big trouble. Another thing people haven't mentioned much...Pac and Cotto in fact have the same reach. If Cotto comes into the fight a bit weak from trying to make 145...trying to run after and catch the faster guy will make him vulnerable. I think to have great success against Pac, you need to have great counter punching and timing...like Marquez. Pac loves to throw himself forward when he tries to throw flurries...and he is often off balance. Cotto needs to utilize his great jab and draw Pac in. Countering him and than setting him up for some hard shots. If Cotto comes into this fight in a strong mental state and fights intelligently...he has a chance. But unlike popular opinion, he should not try to brawl. People simply think that if a fighter is naturally bigger and stronger...he has to impose his strength. That is only the case if your opponent isn't much faster than you. Otherwise...you have to fight a technically smart fight to deal with the speed...and set up opponent. Or you will throw and miss and get tagged and eventually tire out.
cotto really doesnt take punches well, and pacquiao will hurt him bad with the first left straight he lands, but the cotto that fought corley had barely any boxing skill, hes a way better fighter now
hes also learned not to let himself get hit :D
i think back before he fought corley and torres he thought he could just be oblivious
The only way i see cotto being hurt by manny is if cotto underestimates him. If he treats him a legit opponent that can hurt him manny will be bashed to pieces.
Hard too imagine Cotto going 12 with shane without ever really being hurt only to be hurt by manny.
I agree, Cotto is systematic in his approach and should be able to take him apart with better directed power shots. Manny may get lucky and catch him on the move but he sure as hell would have to pounce on it right then and finish it or he would pay over the distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
People are using that logic. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfirst off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
DeMarcus Corley also shook up Floyd Mayweather Jr, more than once in there fight. In the 3rd round he hit Floyd Mayweather Jr, with a straight left hand, that buckled Floyd Mayweather Jr's knees. And in the 4th round he rocked Floyd Mayweather Jr back with an overhand right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
A similar punch to what stunned Miguel Cotto, there was also another moment in that round. Where DeMarcus Corley, hit Floyd Mayweather with two overhand rights that hurt Floyd Mayweather Jr aswell.
DeMarcus Corley has some pop and is slightly underrated, he was a bit unlucky against a prime Zab Judah.
PBF wasn't that damn hurt.
I was surprised to see Chop hurt Floyd. It was a right and Floyd did fall into the ropes and cover up for a short moment. Floyd smiled and tried to play it off. It was a great display for PBF but Corley was game.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfirst off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
The outcome is far from being certain , i personally think PACMAN beats him inside 4 , i think PAC will be to fast for Cotto.
If the fight goes into the later stages the body punching of Cotto may be vital .
But as i said PACMAN jumps on Cotto and wins by stoppage.
you didn't finish your sentence. It should have said: "And that was fron an accumilation of loaded leather:)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
ain't that the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by Namelessyou didn't finish your sentence. It should have said: "And that was fron an accumilation of loaded leather:)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...
Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.
Majesty it was WELL KNOWN that Cotto had weight problems even from his early days at 140. Go back and watch fights it's constantly commented on and yes it was a very serious thing for him. I'm sure you remember Paulie making a fuss when they moved the weigh in to noon to help him rehydrate more before the fight. Just because he weighed 2 pounds less and fought good against an amateur rival doesn't mean anything. Yeah he was juiced for that fight no doubt that doesn't mean weight wasn't a problem. Cotto had problems with the weight all along. I don't think that has much to do with his questionable tactics at times just walking guys down, ect. but it was a problem. You could see a visible difference in his comfort level when he moved to 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Yeah but at the same time you can't use the weight excuse for one fight when the very next fight he weighs in less and looks spectacular. His weight issues had no bearing on him getting stunned by Corley. He got stunned, end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatMajesty it was WELL KNOWN that Cotto had weight problems even from his early days at 140. Go back and watch fights it's constantly commented on and yes it was a very serious thing for him. I'm sure you remember Paulie making a fuss when they moved the weigh in to noon to help him rehydrate more before the fight. Just because he weighed 2 pounds less and fought good against an amateur rival doesn't mean anything. Yeah he was juiced for that fight no doubt that doesn't mean weight wasn't a problem. Cotto had problems with the weight all along. I don't think that has much to do with his questionable tactics at times just walking guys down, ect. but it was a problem. You could see a visible difference in his comfort level when he moved to 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
You can't say "Oh he looked bad cause of the weight in this fight but the very next fight he was fine" if every time he's ever looked bad at 140 it was the weight and it shut on and off is hard to believe. I can give you the Malignaggi fight. But the whole "he looked bad cause of his weight in this fight but looked just fine if not spectacular in his next one" doesn't hold too much weight imo.
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.
Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.
Weight drain my ass. Cotto was trying to use his size to his advantage and i say he did a pretty good job since he is undefeated at 140lbs.
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Originally Posted by The BoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.
Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.
it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140
He was hurt as much as Miguel Cotto was, but not for as long. And that is due to the fact Floyd Mayweather, has a superior defense and knows how to stay out of trouble/avoding punches, similar to Pernell Whitaker vs Roger Maywetaher.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
Plus he also takes a punch better than Miguel Cotto IMO, i know Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't been hit that often. But IMO from what i have seen he does take a punch pretty well.
Where as Miguel Cotto gets shaken up in pretty much, alot of his fights. I've never thought he's had a good chin, even when he moved up. I think he has great recovery powers, but great recovery powers doesn't mean you have a good chin.
Similar to JMM i think he's chin is somewhat shaky aswell, but he does have great recovery powers which gets him out of any trouble. Just like Miguel Cotto.
Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by The BoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.
Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.
Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.
Cotto is a better fighter at 147. This much is obvious. Watch his fights with Torres, Branco and Malignaggi then watch the ones versus Quintana, Mosley and Judah. It's night and day. He might not be a better fighter because of the weight, maybe it's just because he's older but to say he's the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140 is foolish. When you watched the fight with Torres would you ever think that that guy would go on to outbox Mosley, Clottey and Judah? No. I don't want to call his approach mindless but it definitely wasn't polished. He was just walking guys down, throwing punches on the way in but all to often just backing out with nothing. I think the Quintana fight was a turning point, had he come into that fight with the mindset of "I'll just blow him away in the exchanges", he would have lost to a very good Quintana. Cotto was a fine looking prospect but he had begun to look very green at the pro ranks and you know he worked hard because he erased all that green-ness. If you want I can post videos and I can tell you all the specific things he is doing now at 147 that he wasn't at 140 but you're the boxer I'm sure you can see for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BoxerNobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.
Also, the weight has always been, if not a hindrance, a worry.
agree, anyone who tries to claim that Cotto hasn't looked better at 147 than at 140 is pretty much blindQuote:
Originally Posted by amatCotto is a better fighter at 147. This much is obvious. Watch his fights with Torres, Branco and Malignaggi then watch the ones versus Quintana, Mosley and Judah. It's night and day. He might not be a better fighter because of the weight, maybe it's just because he's older but to say he's the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140 is foolish. When you watched the fight with Torres would you ever think that that guy would go on to outbox Mosley, Clottey and Judah? No. I don't want to call his approach mindless but it definitely wasn't polished. He was just walking guys down, throwing punches on the way in but all to often just backing out with nothing. I think the Quintana fight was a turning point, had he come into that fight with the mindset of "I'll just blow him away in the exchanges", he would have lost to a very good Quintana. Cotto was a fine looking prospect but he had begun to look very green at the pro ranks and you know he worked hard because he erased all that green-ness. If you want I can post videos and I can tell you all the specific things he is doing now at 147 that he wasn't at 140 but you're the boxer I'm sure you can see for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BoxerNobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.
Also, the weight has always been, if not a hindrance, a worry.
yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.
Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too
this was your post by the way
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Originally Posted by AirJordanIV http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...s/viewpost.gif
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?
first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time
You said a lot but you still didn't give me any me any examples of how Cotto is a completey different fighter at 147.
I'm not claiming that cotto hasn't looked better at 147. IMO cotto looked the best i've ever saw him when he fought Margarito. Even though he lost Cotto did things that i didn't know he could do. Still over all i don't feel like he is a completley different fighter at 147. Now if he boxed the way he did against Margarito in every fight a 147 then i would agree, but he hasn't. Yes Cotto has made some changes but he's still largely the same fighter. IMO the fight with Margarito showed the depth of his skills. So it's not that i'm blind, but instead that i'm not blinded by my fanhood for Cotto.
Also I'm not saying PAC beats Cotto. Personaly i think Cotto is being written off. All i'm saying is i think it's possible for PAC to hurt Cotto but at the same time Cotto could definetly time PAC when he jumps in the way he does. Also if we go by what someone said early about how chop chop hurting cotto had a lot to do with Cotto being weight drained than don't you think it's possible that PAC could hurt Cotto since the fight is at a catch weight. Myself i'm 50/50 on who wins this fight right now.
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Originally Posted by josef4334yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too
this was your post by the way
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Originally Posted by AirJordanIV http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...s/viewpost.gif
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?
first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time
first off, Pacquiao wasn't knocked down by body shots, he was knocked the fuck out by body shots, and you need to learn sarcasm buddy, i said that using the same retarded logic that Corley (a southpaw) hurt Cotto, means that Pacquiao will, is the same as saying that seeing how Pacquiao was brutally stopped twice to the body, Cotto (the best body puncher today) will destroy him
i think Cotto's gonna beat his ass, but not cause of his two early TKO losses, i think he's going to lose cause he's not fighting a bum who got a gift decision (Diaz), a weight drained shot fighter (DLH), or a guy who although physically in good shape is horribly limited and fought a completely stupid fight (Hatton), he's fighting a strong natural welterweight who isn't shot, if Manny proves me wrong he deserves all the credit in the world, as i said when he beat Hatton
To be perfectly fair, I think that Cotto has been hurt tons of times, but Manny has been stopped by a Flyweight fighter with decent power. Cotto has fought some big (Clottey), guns blazing (Torres), fast (Judah), smart (Quintana), durable (Mosley) people. I'm not saying Manny hasn't had a great career thus far. But its a matter of where you have campaigned.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boxer
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too
this was your post by the way
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Originally Posted by AirJordanIV http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...s/viewpost.gif
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?
first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time
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Originally Posted by zhubin
I have a thread going with over 1100 posts on another planet, but this post is as good as they get. Very, very insightful.
Manny was stopped by a body shot and was totally drained going into that fight with 3-K Battery M. He also was a midget. I think it's fair to say that that was then and this is now, just as it's fair tio say Cotto was somewhat drained when he fought Torres.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsTo be perfectly fair, I think that Cotto has been hurt tons of times, but Manny has been stopped by a Flyweight fighter with decent power. Cotto has fought some big (Clottey), guns blazing (Torres), fast (Judah), smart (Quintana), durable (Mosley) people. I'm not saying Manny hasn't had a great career thus far. But its a matter of where you have campaigned.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too
this was your post by the way
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Originally Posted by AirJordanIV http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...s/viewpost.gif
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?
first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time
Thanks holmcall. I am just hoping it will be great fight. Pac is on fire at the moment...but if Cotto comes in mentally and physically sharp...to go along with a great game plan...he certainly will be more than a handful.Quote:
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Originally Posted by zhubin
I have a thread going with over 1100 posts on another planet, but this post is as good as they get. Very, very insightful.
Apples and Oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I don't recall dirrel ever moving up a weight class? He's always been comfortable at Super Middle.
Majesty i understand exactly where your comming from. People often bring up how chop chop hurt PBF as evidence of how PBF can't take a punch But when you mention chop chop hurting Cotto people act like it was forever ago. If i do recall PBF fought Chop CHop in 04 and Cotto fought him in 05. Also Cotto was way more hurt than by Chop than PBF was. People tried to use the chop chop fight as evidence that PBF couldn't handle the strength of fighters at 140 and above. Now all of a sudden people act like PBF is Paul Williams. Anyway all i'm saying is if you wanna use PBF Corley which was in 2004 than we should be able to use Corely Cotto which was in 2005.
By the way whats Chop Chop doing anyway. I haven't heard from him since the Writter fight which i still haven't seen.
Cotto was seriously weight drained at 140.
Look at Cotto at his weigh in against Corley.
http://talkingboxing.com/photos/cotto_corley_weigh.jpg
Ever since moving up to 147 his chin has proved to be pretty solid taking shots from the likes of Judah, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana. Even against Margarito he took alot of punishment to the body and head before he went down.