Why Carl Froch is the greatest super middleweight of this generation

1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

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8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

Is this your attempt at a Fantana-style thread?

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My boys the rickster coach you know that!!

ive got an admiration for carl froch as an athlete and simply read what i see

Fantanas non-gay obsession for john ruiz is more of a love thing

Hammer, I like Froch, and really agreed with your post in the Froch Kessler thread, but Froch has way more to do to prove he's the best Supermidddleweight around, and that he'll struggle to do. I have a feeling he lacks too many elements to be the best, but I guess thats what this super six tournament is there to do. The good thing for Froch is that at the moment, the only guy really looking good in the Super Six is Andre Ward, and even he makes mistakes and can be hit and Froch has the power to trouble anyone. Kessler and AA no longer look World Class IMO and Dirrell has a way to go to prove that he's at that level. Outside of the tourney, as Froch has previosuly stated, Bute needs to grow some balls. If he was up for proving hes the best, he wouldhave been in the tournament and not fighting two middleweights in Andrade and Miranda.

Cutting it short, Froch has the opportunity to prove himself, and its game on and open I think.

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Hammer, I like Froch, and really agreed with your post in the Froch Kessler thread, but Froch has way more to do to prove he's the best Supermidddleweight around, and that he'll struggle to do. I have a feeling he lacks too many elements to be the best, but I guess thats what this super six tournament is there to do. The good thing for Froch is that at the moment, the only guy really looking good in the Super Six is Andre Ward, and even he makes mistakes and can be hit and Froch has the power to trouble anyone. Kessler and AA no longer look World Class IMO and Dirrell has a way to go to prove that he's at that level. Outside of the tourney, as Froch has previosuly stated, Bute needs to grow some balls. If he was up for proving hes the best, he wouldhave been in the tournament and not fighting two middleweights in Andrade and Miranda.

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Ward butted his way through mikkel kessler, froch wont have that luxury on saturday night

Ive seen very little from andre ward to suggest he even gives froch a tough fight

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Hammer, I like Froch, and really agreed with your post in the Froch Kessler thread, but Froch has way more to do to prove he's the best Supermidddleweight around, and that he'll struggle to do. I have a feeling he lacks too many elements to be the best, but I guess thats what this super six tournament is there to do. The good thing for Froch is that at the moment, the only guy really looking good in the Super Six is Andre Ward, and even he makes mistakes and can be hit and Froch has the power to trouble anyone. Kessler and AA no longer look World Class IMO and Dirrell has a way to go to prove that he's at that level. Outside of the tourney, as Froch has previosuly stated, Bute needs to grow some balls. If he was up for proving hes the best, he wouldhave been in the tournament and not fighting two middleweights in Andrade and Miranda.

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Ward butted his way through mikkel kessler, froch wont have that luxury on saturday night

Ive seen very little from andre ward to suggest he even gives froch a tough fight

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I guess that there is a decent chance we'll see....

Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Lucian Bute grow some balls ? he couldn't join the Super Six tournament thats well documented. And also because he had unfinished business vs Librado Andrade. And plus because they needed another American fighter in the tournament.

Lastly how the hell is Librado Andrade a Middleweight ? he's a big Super Middleweight and could easily be a Light Heavyweight, he's never been a Middleweight.

And your boy Carl Froch was handed a gift, when he was atleast beat by 3 rounds by Andre Dirrell. He will be found out soon.

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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No he didn't he got caught late in a fight he mostly dominated, and got up by the count of 8. When the round was already over, even if the ref wouldn't of told.

Librado Andrade to go back to the neutral corner, the round was over at that point so it didn't matter. All Lucian Bute had to do was stand up and respond to the ref which he did.

Andre Dirrell beat your boy though, and your boy was also pushd to his limit. By Brian Magee for crying out loud, he will be found out soon. Im just amazed he's got this far without a loss yet.

And Lucian Bute will destroy Carl Froch, and i'll bet with you or anyone regarding that.

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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You must be joking actually count how long, it took Lucian Bute to get up. It was 8 secodns he beat the count, then the ref told Librado Andrade to go in the neutral corner.

But even if he hadn't of, it wouldn't of mattered because the round was over when he went down. Its just you can't be saved in the final round, which is why the ref firstly had to decide whether or not to let Lucian Bute continue.

Your boy just plainly got a gift decision, and lost by atleast 3 rounds.

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Lucian Bute grow some balls ? he couldn't join the Super Six tournament thats well documented. And also because he had unfinished business vs Librado Andrade. And plus because they needed another American fighter in the tournament.

Lastly how the hell is Librado Andrade a Middleweight ? he's a big Super Middleweight and could easily be a Light Heavyweight, he's never been a Middleweight.

And your boy Carl Froch was handed a gift, when he was atleast beat by 3 rounds by Andre Dirrell. He will be found out soon.

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Aplogies man, gettin my shit mixed trying to type quick at work so no one clocks me doin it.

Hell, Froch is certainly not my boy. Don't be getting confused here, i'm no pom pom carrier for Froch. He's slow and quite unco-ordinated at times, and yes he will be found out no doubt, but not by Kessler and certainly not in an easy manner by any of the other tournament fighters, and definately not Bute. If Bute is as good as suggested, I don't care what plan he had, he should have wanted to be in the Super Six, to turn down such an opportunity, 3 big fights and the possibility of proving your the best, just for a fight with Andrade and then Miranda. No way.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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30 seconds? really? FAIL

Dirrell beat Froch period. The whole justification for Froch winning was "he was coming forward" He wasn't landing shit, he wasn't throwing shit, he hadn't a clue of what to do. As long as he was walking forward though he grabs the cards. I think Fenster put it best when he stated that the judges say Dirrell falling all over the place and probably held it against him even though he was clearly winning the rounds.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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Andrade had Bute out on his feet and beaten but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

Dirrell outboxed & eventually outslugged Froch by a wide margin but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Lucian Bute grow some balls ? he couldn't join the Super Six tournament thats well documented. And also because he had unfinished business vs Librado Andrade. And plus because they needed another American fighter in the tournament.

Lastly how the hell is Librado Andrade a Middleweight ? he's a big Super Middleweight and could easily be a Light Heavyweight, he's never been a Middleweight.

And your boy Carl Froch was handed a gift, when he was atleast beat by 3 rounds by Andre Dirrell. He will be found out soon.

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Aplogies man, gettin my shit mixed trying to type quick at work so no one clocks me doin it.

Hell, Froch is certainly not my boy. Don't be getting confused here, i'm no pom pom carrier for Froch. He's slow and quite unco-ordinated at times, and yes he will be found out no doubt, but not by Kessler and certainly not in an easy manner by any of the other tournament fighters, and definately not Bute. If Bute is as good as suggested, I don't care what plan he had, he should have wanted to be in the Super Six, to turn down such an opportunity, 3 big fights and the possibility of proving your the best, just for a fight with Andrade and then Miranda. No way.

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He couldn't be in the Super Six im sure Killersheep will explain to you, there was actual reason's he couldn't be in it. Plus they needed a American fighter, and also its the best thing for Lucian Bute he didn't go in it. Because he beat Librado Andrade in good fashion in the rematch, now a fight between him and the Super Six winner will be huge.

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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30 seconds? really? FAIL

Dirrell beat Froch period. The whole justification for Froch winning was "he was coming forward" He wasn't landing shit, he wasn't throwing shit, he hadn't a clue of what to do. As long as he was walking forward though he grabs the cards. I think Fenster put it best when he stated that the judges say Dirrell falling all over the place and probably held it against him even though he was clearly winning the rounds.

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

9) He came from a really rough upbringing too, they actually made him go to public school. He had to protect his bike often.

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And Dirrell beat Froch, what's your point?

I'm totally gonna bump this after the S6.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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Andrade had Bute out on his feet and beaten but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

Dirrell outboxed & eventually outslugged Froch by a wide margin but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

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But Jaz the point is the round was already over, when Lucian Bute went down. All he had to do was beat the count, and respond to the ref. Its the actions of the stupid ref, telling Librado Andrade to go in the neutral corner.

Which added to the controversy, which wasn't needed. Because if that hadn't of happened. Lucian Bute still would of won regardless, because the time in the round was already over. And no one would have been thinking that Lucian Bute deserved a loss, people make too much of it.

Yes the ref was bad but he didn't change the outcome of the fight.

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9) He came from a really rough upbringing too, they actually made him go to public school. He had to protect his bike often.

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You forgot that he grew up around loads of black and mixed-race people ;D

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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30 seconds? really? FAIL

Dirrell beat Froch period. The whole justification for Froch winning was "he was coming forward" He wasn't landing shit, he wasn't throwing shit, he hadn't a clue of what to do. As long as he was walking forward though he grabs the cards. I think Fenster put it best when he stated that the judges say Dirrell falling all over the place and probably held it against him even though he was clearly winning the rounds.

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

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Dirrell spent many rounds being the BOXER and peppered Froch, he even hurt Froch a few times. I'm pretty sure there is a good reason they didn't show the punch stats, cause Dirrell would have been light years ahead. Dirrell did act like a biatch in the second half of the fight I admit that, but he still should have won.

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30 seconds? really? FAIL

Dirrell beat Froch period. The whole justification for Froch winning was "he was coming forward" He wasn't landing shit, he wasn't throwing shit, he hadn't a clue of what to do. As long as he was walking forward though he grabs the cards. I think Fenster put it best when he stated that the judges say Dirrell falling all over the place and probably held it against him even though he was clearly winning the rounds.

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

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Dirrell spent many rounds being the BOXER and peppered Froch, he even hurt Froch a few times. I'm pretty sure there is a good reason they didn't show the punch stats, cause Dirrell would have been light years ahead. Dirrell did act like a biatch in the second half of the fight I admit that, but he still should have won.

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When i first watched the fight through a showtime stream online (i know im a tight arse) i had froch maybe a round or so up. When i actually bothered to take out the patriotic commentating and watch it in realtime its clear for all to see that froch won that fight as easy as he won the pascal fight

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

Lucian Bute grow some balls ? he couldn't join the Super Six tournament thats well documented. And also because he had unfinished business vs Librado Andrade. And plus because they needed another American fighter in the tournament.

Lastly how the hell is Librado Andrade a Middleweight ? he's a big Super Middleweight and could easily be a Light Heavyweight, he's never been a Middleweight.

And your boy Carl Froch was handed a gift, when he was atleast beat by 3 rounds by Andre Dirrell. He will be found out soon.

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Aplogies man, gettin my shit mixed trying to type quick at work so no one clocks me doin it.

Hell, Froch is certainly not my boy. Don't be getting confused here, i'm no pom pom carrier for Froch. He's slow and quite unco-ordinated at times, and yes he will be found out no doubt, but not by Kessler and certainly not in an easy manner by any of the other tournament fighters, and definately not Bute. If Bute is as good as suggested, I don't care what plan he had, he should have wanted to be in the Super Six, to turn down such an opportunity, 3 big fights and the possibility of proving your the best, just for a fight with Andrade and then Miranda. No way.

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He couldn't be in the Super Six im sure Killersheep will explain to you, there was actual reason's he couldn't be in it. Plus they needed a American fighter, and also its the best thing for Lucian Bute he didn't go in it. Because he beat Librado Andrade in good fashion in the rematch, now a fight between him and the Super Six winner will be huge.

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No sweat, maybe Killer will post something up. Until then, I still don't see Bute. No way he gets a shot at the winner having beaten Anrade and Miranda, i'll stand by that. Anybody in the Super Six, for taking on the fights they have, should get another shot at the winner at the end before Bute just because he added Andrade and Miranda to his record. Who the hell is Bute gonna beat in the meantime while the Super Six plays out to keep up his great form??

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

care to explain to me how that can compare in any manner to froch-dirrell??

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Andrade had Bute out on his feet and beaten but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

Dirrell outboxed & eventually outslugged Froch by a wide margin but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

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But Jaz the point is the round was already over, when Lucian Bute went down. All he had to do was beat the count, and respond to the ref. Its the actions of the stupid ref, telling Librado Andrade to go in the neutral corner.

Which added to the controversy, which wasn't needed. Because if that hadn't of happened. Lucian Bute still would of won regardless, because the time in the round was already over. And no one would have been thinking that Lucian Bute deserved a loss, people make too much of it.

Yes the ref was bad but he didn't change the outcome of the fight.

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Watch that final round and how long Wright kept the two of them separated when he was breaking them up. It should have been stopped when Bute was only kept up by the ropes. People focus on the final round, but Wright's incompetence throughout that fight was the single worst refereeing performance I've seen.

Anyway not that it matters, Carl Froch would beat them all on the same night whilst simultaneously shagging his bird.

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Andrade had bute down on his ass for 30 seconds before the ref finally started counting, by the time the bell had gone bute had been down for almost a minute

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30 seconds? really? FAIL

Dirrell beat Froch period. The whole justification for Froch winning was "he was coming forward" He wasn't landing shit, he wasn't throwing shit, he hadn't a clue of what to do. As long as he was walking forward though he grabs the cards. I think Fenster put it best when he stated that the judges say Dirrell falling all over the place and probably held it against him even though he was clearly winning the rounds.

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

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So what if Andre Dirrell didn't stand toe to toe ? boxing is about ring generalship, defense, clean/effective punching. Andre Dirrell landed the better punches, for the most part he controlled the fight, fighting when he wanted to and not allowing Carl Froch to get off.

He had Carl Froch rocked twice, where as Andre Dirrell was never hurt. Yes i don't like Andre Dirrell style but your British bias is clouding your judgment. Getting ready to let your fists fly as you put it means what exactly ?

The fact is he hardly landed anything, and his pressure was ineffective. Andre Dirrell won hands down and a majority of the boxing fans feel that way aswell.

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Andrade had Bute out on his feet and beaten but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

Dirrell outboxed & eventually outslugged Froch by a wide margin but was robbed of a win and a world title by shady hometown officiating.

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But Jaz the point is the round was already over, when Lucian Bute went down. All he had to do was beat the count, and respond to the ref. Its the actions of the stupid ref, telling Librado Andrade to go in the neutral corner.

Which added to the controversy, which wasn't needed. Because if that hadn't of happened. Lucian Bute still would of won regardless, because the time in the round was already over. And no one would have been thinking that Lucian Bute deserved a loss, people make too much of it.

Yes the ref was bad but he didn't change the outcome of the fight.

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Watch that final round and how long Wright kept the two of them separated when he was breaking them up. It should have been stopped when Bute was only kept up by the ropes. People focus on the final round, but Wright's incompetence throughout that fight was the single worst refereeing performance I've seen.

Anyway not that it matters, Carl Froch would beat them all on the same night whilst simultaneously shagging his bird.

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Biggest robbery since lewis-holyfield, how the hell some people on here can claim it was only 8 seconds:rolleyes:

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

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Dirrell spent many rounds being the BOXER and peppered Froch, he even hurt Froch a few times. I'm pretty sure there is a good reason they didn't show the punch stats, cause Dirrell would have been light years ahead. Dirrell did act like a biatch in the second half of the fight I admit that, but he still should have won.

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When i first watched the fight through a showtime stream online (i know im a tight arse) i had froch maybe a round or so up. When i actually bothered to take out the patriotic commentating and watch it in realtime its clear for all to see that froch won that fight as easy as he won the pascal fight

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Yeah, because you're not one to let patriotism affect how you view the fight ;D

I suppose the Primetime commentary team including long-time Froch supporter John Rawling & Hennessy fighter Jon Thaxton were also clouded by pro-US feeling when they had Dirrell winning by a couple of rounds :-X

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30 seconds? really? FAIL

Dirrell beat Froch period. The whole justification for Froch winning was "he was coming forward" He wasn't landing shit, he wasn't throwing shit, he hadn't a clue of what to do. As long as he was walking forward though he grabs the cards. I think Fenster put it best when he stated that the judges say Dirrell falling all over the place and probably held it against him even though he was clearly winning the rounds.

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

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So what if Andre Dirrell didn't stand toe to toe ? boxing is about ring generalship, defense, clean/effective punching. Andre Dirrell landed the better punches, for the most part he controlled the fight, fighting when he wanted to and not allowing Carl Froch to get off.

He had Carl Froch rocked twice, where as Andre Dirrell was never hurt. Yes i don't like Andre Dirrell style but your British bias is clouding your judgment. Getting ready to let your fists fly as you put it means what exactly ?

The fact is he hardly landed anything, and his pressure was ineffective. Andre Dirrell won hands down and a majority of the boxing fans feel that way aswell.

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You seriously should get a job with showtime working on press row as you clearly have no idea how to score a contest and are easily swayed by others around you

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But Jaz the point is the round was already over, when Lucian Bute went down. All he had to do was beat the count, and respond to the ref. Its the actions of the stupid ref, telling Librado Andrade to go in the neutral corner.

Which added to the controversy, which wasn't needed. Because if that hadn't of happened. Lucian Bute still would of won regardless, because the time in the round was already over. And no one would have been thinking that Lucian Bute deserved a loss, people make too much of it.

Yes the ref was bad but he didn't change the outcome of the fight.

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Watch that final round and how long Wright kept the two of them separated when he was breaking them up. It should have been stopped when Bute was only kept up by the ropes. People focus on the final round, but Wright's incompetence throughout that fight was the single worst refereeing performance I've seen.

Anyway not that it matters, Carl Froch would beat them all on the same night whilst simultaneously shagging his bird.

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well said merkin

Biggest robbery since lewis-holyfield, how the hell some people on here can claim it was only 8 seconds:rolleyes:

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Are you off your rocker ? seriously do yourself a favor. And count how long Lucian Bute was on the canvas. He got up at the count of 8, it took 27 seconds overall from the time Lucian Bute got up, too all the nonsense regarding the neutral corner.

But it only took 8 seconds for Lucian Bute to get up, and thats a fact. And the time in the round was already over so as i said, it didn't matter whether or not the ref, told off Librado Andrade about not being in the neutral corner.

The round was already over at the point, all Lucian Bute had to do was beat the count. And respond to the ref which he did, had the ref not have done that BS about the neutral corner. Then there would of been no controversy.

As for Jaz saying it should of been stopped before that, i totally disagree. The champion should always be given the benefit of the doubt especially in the last round to finish the fight, he wasn't defenseless. Although he was seriously hurt, but he survived and technically. He wasn't given any breaks regarding that, he survived on his heart and toughness.

And lastly the biggest robbery since Lewis vs Holyfield 1 ? wow are you kidding me ? considering everyone here voted Carl Froch vs Andre Dirrell as the robbery of the year last year.

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Watch that final round and how long Wright kept the two of them separated when he was breaking them up. It should have been stopped when Bute was only kept up by the ropes. People focus on the final round, but Wright's incompetence throughout that fight was the single worst refereeing performance I've seen.

Anyway not that it matters, Carl Froch would beat them all on the same night whilst simultaneously shagging his bird.

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well said merkin

Biggest robbery since lewis-holyfield, how the hell some people on here can claim it was only 8 seconds:rolleyes:

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Are you off your rocker ? seriously do yourself a favor. And count how long Lucian Bute was on the canvas. He got up at the count of 8, it took 27 seconds overall from the time Lucian Bute got up, too all the nonsense regarding the neutral corner nonsense.

But it only took 8 seconds for Lucian Bute to get up, and thats a fact. And the time in the round was already over so as i said, it didn't matter whether or not the ref, told off Librado Andrade about not being in the neutral corner.

The round was already over at the point, all Lucian Bute had to do was beat the count. And respond to the ref which he did, had the ref not have done that BS about the neutral corner. Then there would of been no controversy.

As for Jaz saying it should of been stopped before that, i totally disagree. The champion should always be allowed to finish the fight, he was defenseless. Although he was seriously hurt, but he survived and technically. He wasn't given any breaks regarding that, he survived on his heart and toughness.

And lastly the biggest robbery since Lewis vs Holyfield 1 ? wow are you kidding me ? considering everyone here voted Carl Froch vs Andre Dirrell as the robbery of the year last year.

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youve just answered your own question

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carl froch spent 36minutes walking towards andre dirrell with his fists ready to fly. Dirrell spent 36minutes doing a running/falling over double act. Froch is the champion, and its in his home country. How the hell do you expect to get a decision??

Dirrell wanted no part of froch, the better fighter won

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So what if Andre Dirrell didn't stand toe to toe ? boxing is about ring generalship, defense, clean/effective punching. Andre Dirrell landed the better punches, for the most part he controlled the fight, fighting when he wanted to and not allowing Carl Froch to get off.

He had Carl Froch rocked twice, where as Andre Dirrell was never hurt. Yes i don't like Andre Dirrell style but your British bias is clouding your judgment. Getting ready to let your fists fly as you put it means what exactly ?

The fact is he hardly landed anything, and his pressure was ineffective. Andre Dirrell won hands down and a majority of the boxing fans feel that way aswell.

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You seriously should get a job with showtime working on press row as you clearly have no idea how to score a contest and are easily swayed by others around you

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I don't think you have a clue what your talking about personally, and your just totally biased when it comes to British fighters.

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well said merkin

Biggest robbery since lewis-holyfield, how the hell some people on here can claim it was only 8 seconds:rolleyes:

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Are you off your rocker ? seriously do yourself a favor. And count how long Lucian Bute was on the canvas. He got up at the count of 8, it took 27 seconds overall from the time Lucian Bute got up, too all the nonsense regarding the neutral corner nonsense.

But it only took 8 seconds for Lucian Bute to get up, and thats a fact. And the time in the round was already over so as i said, it didn't matter whether or not the ref, told off Librado Andrade about not being in the neutral corner.

The round was already over at the point, all Lucian Bute had to do was beat the count. And respond to the ref which he did, had the ref not have done that BS about the neutral corner. Then there would of been no controversy.

As for Jaz saying it should of been stopped before that, i totally disagree. The champion should always be allowed to finish the fight, he was defenseless. Although he was seriously hurt, but he survived and technically. He wasn't given any breaks regarding that, he survived on his heart and toughness.

And lastly the biggest robbery since Lewis vs Holyfield 1 ? wow are you kidding me ? considering everyone here voted Carl Froch vs Andre Dirrell as the robbery of the year last year.

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youve just answered your own question

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Uhh you made out he was down for 30 seconds, which was BS. He was down for 8 seconds it took 20+ seconds to sort out the mess, but that didn't matter. All i've done is show that you were wrong so i don't know. What your laughing at.

This thread is a joke. I won't take anything away from Froch, he is a good fighter.. but he is very beatable, and there is obvious proof from his tougher fights. He's by no means head and shoulders above the rest of the Super 6, so to say he's the best of this generation is laughable. That's great that you're british and so is Froch, so go talk to your brit friends about it and be merry about your hometown hero, don't bring that $hit here, though.

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1-His record - The guys currently been flawless througout his career to date both in the amateurs and pro. 26 wins, 20 by way of knockout and not a single dent on his CV. Carl to date has been in and beaten every single person who has attempted to match him for superiority.

2-His style - Froch has many many different styles. From his out and out brawling methods to his counter punching superiority. Froch is fun to watch always has been. If carl froch is fighting you can be assured from the word go a boxing contest will turn into a fight and froch will always come out on top.

3-His adaptability - As ive mentioned in earlier threads before the cobra has had to on so many different occasions adapt his technique to suit the style of opponent he is in with, the very same thing which made calzaghe such a great fighter. The pascal fight is your perfect example, a great great fight which we`ll all agree on that contained 2 different carl frochs. The 1st being the out and out warrior that he is that stands infront of his opponent and forces him into a fight. The second being carls ability to pick his moments once he started coming off second best and using his superior footwork to dominate on the move.

4-Not afraid to fight anyone - Even the biggest carl froch hater (millions of them on this site) cannot accuse him of ever ducking an opponent. He has taken every single challenge head on and forced people into having to fight him. At this stage of their careers RJJ, Hopkins, calzaghe etc were all fighting tune up contests and avoiding the big boys, not the cobra. In his 10th pro fight he was fighting for a british title, thats right 10 FIGHTS. On his 12th outing he became the champion of the entire commonwealth and by the time he`d reached his 24th pro fight he was WBC champion of the world.

5-The andre dirrell fight - A prime example of what makes a special fighter great. Dirrell came to britain as the unbeaten american challenging the world champion to a fight on his terms and forced froch for the entire evening into fighting his fight. Froch couldnt manouevere his man like he always does because of the simple fact he couldnt even catch him. Dirrell ran like a bitch for 12rounds and froch had to chase shadows all evening. But did he at any point lose his cool and get caught out?? NO. Froch beat his younger, slicker opponent at doing what he does best and won by a clear margin. Dirrell has since gone on to beat the very man many expected to challenge froch for the super6 title.

6-His charisma - As we all know fighters need to show a hell of a lot outside of the ring in order to sell a fight. Froch doesnt need to do that. Is he arrogant, maybe but all fighters need to have that naivety every so often. Is he confident in himself? 100% yes, froch oozes confidence in abundance because he knows there is nobody on this planet that can stand toe to toe with him and get the better. Maybe RJJ in his prime or calzaghe in his prime, but there both debatable. Froch knows his the man because he right now is the man.

7-His girlfriend - nothing needs to be said....

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8-His legacy - Froch is in the midst of establishing himself as one of the all time greats up there with the great middleweights like hagler, hearns etc. Im convinced he`ll win saturday night after researching the man in full and as always will very much love to wipe the smirk off of the faces of many posters on here. He`ll win the super6 with ease with only Andre Ward giving him any trouble and even he will go on the run once he feels froch`s power. Calzaghe ducked the big boys for years, froch has done exactly the opposite and met them head on. When carl retires you wont have to ask whether or not he would of beaten said fighter from his generation on his day because he would of done and i wouldnt be surprised to see him retire unbeaten.

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I completely agree with your 7th point from the list.;)

Ver heard of a boxing legend called Joe Calzaghe 46-0-0(32)?

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Ver heard of a boxing legend called Joe Calzaghe 46-0-0(32)?

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I don't know any legend called Joe Calzaghe who is he ?

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Ver heard of a boxing legend called Joe Calzaghe 46-0-0(32)?

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I don't know any legend called Joe Calzaghe who is he ?

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The guy that pissed all over your hero.

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Ver heard of a boxing legend called Joe Calzaghe 46-0-0(32)?

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I don't know any legend called Joe Calzaghe who is he ?

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The guy that pissed all over your hero.

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LOL i knew Fenster would be the first to reply ;)

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Im going with Lucian Bute as the best, i've been a fan of his for awhile. And you don't normally get many slick fighters who can hit hard either.

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Bute gets p*wned by everyone in the super6 but green

Librado andrade beat him for peets sake

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Perfect example of some one going off somebodies else opinion and not watching the fight themselves. Watch the fukking fight, moron.

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I don't know any legend called Joe Calzaghe who is he ?

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The guy that pissed all over your hero.

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LOL i knew Fenster would be the first to reply ;)

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Well it is the truth. And a fact. Fact/.