earnie shavers: the hardest heavyweight puncher ever?

29.03.06 - By James Slater: Earnie Shavers turned pro in 1969. When he reached his peak it coincided with a heavyweight division that was enjoying a golden era. Muhammad Ali was at the very top of the pile throughout most of the 1970's, closely followed by his successor- Larry Holmes,the frighteningly strong George Foreman and the man from whom Big George took the title - Joe Frazier. There were other great heavyweights doing there stuff during this time also. Men like Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young and George Chuvalo. It truly was a special era. And right in the middle of this fabulous period of heavyweight talent there was Earnie Shavers.

One of Don King's first fighters, Earnie made his pro debut in November 1969, with a second round KO over one Silas Johnson. Johnson became the first in a number of fighters to be knocked flat or stopped, this number would eventually total sixty seven! Shavers didn't waste any time following up his first victory - he fought another two times in the same week in November.. However, the third of these fights was his first loss, a points defeat over six rounds to a guy named Stan Johnson. Refusing to be discouraged, Shavers reeled off ten straight KO's after this setback. Then came a loss that would reveal one of the weaknesses that this huge puncher would have throughout his career- a suspect chin. Earnie was stopped for the first time, against Ron Stander in round five. It would be three more years before Earnie lost again and despite the loss to Stander, he was about to enjoy a very successful roll.

In 1973, Earnie, by now a rising contender, scored a KO win that in hindsight was far more impressive than initially thought. He knocked out the incredibly crafty Jimmy Young - the first man to do so, and one of only two men ever to stop Jimmy ( Gerry Cooney being the other). This was a superb win and one indicative of just how dangerous Earnie was in the ring. He followed this up with arguably his finest ever victory. He crushed former champ Jimmy Ellis in the very first round. Earnie looked very shaky himself before dropping Ellis for the count, but claimed later he was simply faking so as to draw Ellis in. It worked and Shavers became a serious threat to reigning champion George Foreman. What a pity these two would never meet! What a slugfest that fight would have been. Unfortunately, Earnie lost some momentum after his great win over Ellis. He was stopped again- in one round by Jerry Quarry. Once again his weakness was exposed. Earnie may have been a lethal puncher but his chin left a lot to be desired. If an opponent could get past the early rounds this, as well as Earnie's suspect stamina, gave them a chance of victory. Shaver's high ranking dipped somewhat due to the humbling loss to Quarry.

He was far from finished though. After his loss to Quarry, he scored a first round win the following year over Roy Wallis and then, after a points defeat to Bob Stallings, he gave Jimmy Young a return bout. Young had evidently learned a fair amount since his loss to Shavers and this time he knew enough to fight to a draw, showing the cagey skills that would one day allow him to go the full fifteen with Ali. Earnie's career carried on in its up and down phase the following year when he fought the huge Ron Lyle. He had Lyle down in the second round but couldn't keep him there. Lyle, showing some of the same grit that would be on display in his incredible brawl with George Foreman four months later, hung in there long enough for Earnie to tire, stopping him in the sixth round of an entertaining fight. At this point it was clear to all that while Shaver's power was something to behold, he was far from unbeatable. However, he was by now a genuine crowd pleaser. His kill or be killed style thrilled the fans. And his most famous and memorable fights were still to take place!

In 1977, after logging up five victories after the wild affair with Ron Lyle, Earnie was given his first shot at the title. He was to face the incomparable Muhammad Ali. By this stage in his career, however, Ali was showing some serious wear and tear. Looking back, it really was a crazy move for the ageing Ali to sign to defend against the murderous punching Shavers. The fight didn't turn out quite like most thought it would beforehand, however. From somewhere, Earnie found the stamina to fight for fifteen long rounds and equally impressively, Ali was able to go to the well one more time to pull out a gruelling points win. Ali really had to take some bombs though. He was badly hurt on a number of occasions and only his legendary chin allowed him to survive. At the end it was mighty close, but the judges sided unanimously with The Greatest. Ali lovingly dubbed Shavers "The Acorn" in the build-up to the fight because of Earnie's shaved dome and to this day the nickname has stuck. Ali would only manage one more win after his war with "The Acorn", his return bout with Leon Spinks.

After the confidence boost of proving he could go the full fifteen rounds, as well as giving the best heavyweight in history such a hard fight, Earnie entered the year 1978 feeling good. He fought fellow contender Larry Holmes, in an eliminator for the WBC title, and was as determined as ever to be champion. But Larry knew too much for him and won a wide points verdict. These two would meet again though! At this time, Ken Norton was felt by many to be one of the best big men in the world. He had lost a razor thin decision to Ali in 1976 and then did likewise to Holmes, two years later in a fight that Larry earned with his win over Earnie. This is very significant because one year after Larry became champ with his close points win over Kenny, Earnie fought and destroyed Norton in a single round. How close to the title he had been then. If Norton had been given the decision over Holmes, Shavers would now be champion of the world! There certainly is an amount of luck needed in becoming king!Still, this superb win earned Earnie a second crack at Holmes. And this time he did a bit better.

He cracked Holmes with a huge right in the seventh and Holmes went down in a manner that would have signalled certain defeat for many a fighter. Larry wasn't simply put on the canvas, it looked as though he would almost be sent right through it! How he got up and survived, no-one- least of all Shavers, will ever know. Earnie's chance at winning had passed and Larry regained the initiative, stopping him on cuts in round eleven. Shaver's days as a top contender were over.

He carried on until 1987, wining a few and losing a few - to men like Randall "Tex" Cobb- a loss, Joe Bugner- a win and James "Quick" Tillis- a loss. He retired in the summer of '87 after a win over Larry Simms, only to make a shocking return to the ring in 1995! Aged fifty, Earnie managed a win over a guy named Brian Morgan but was then stopped in two rounds by somebody called Brian Yates.

Earnie's final pro record reads - 72 wins 13 defeats 1 draw with 67 KO's.

He may have never won a world title, but to my mind he is the undisputed holder of the title "Hardest heavyweight puncher of all-time!"

To all the Tyson Addicts:
If Earnie Shavers couldn't knock out an aging Ali.
A prime Tyson could never KO a prime Ali. :D

Earnie Shavers definetly punched harder than tyson but he did not have the skills of a young mike tyson. When asked who hit him harder Tyson or Shavers, Larry Holmes said it was definetly Shavers and that he was knocked out by tyson not because he hit him hardest but rather he hit him in the right spots. young tyson would punch up and down, to the body and to the head and down would come the tree thats why his earlier knockouts were more devastating.

P.S. I am not suggesting that tyson would ko ali 4sure but the logic that if shavers couldn't do it so tyson couldn't does not hold much weight.

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Originally Posted by chamiley

Earnie Shavers definetly punched harder than tyson but he did not have the skills of a young mike tyson. When asked who hit him harder Tyson or Shavers, Larry Holmes said it was definetly Shavers and that he was knocked out by tyson not because he hit him hardest but rather he hit him in the right spots. young tyson would punch up and down, to the body and to the head and down would come the tree thats why his earlier knockouts were more devastating.

P.S. I am not suggesting that tyson would ko ali 4sure but the logic that if shavers couldn't do it so tyson couldn't does not hold much weight.

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I'm just trying to shut the Tyson Addicts up. Alright!!! Can't I have fun sometimes!!!!!

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Tyson had the power to KO anyone.Who knows what would have happened against Ali, just because one guy couldn't do it, that doesn't mean someone else couldn't.Every fighter throws different punches from different angles, Tyson was faster than Shavers and threw a better upercut as well.I would never count Tyson out of that fight.

I saw several of Shavers' fights, including his fight with Ali, his fights with Holmes, his debacle against Quarry and his knockout of Ken Norton. The thing that made Shavers such a hard puncher was the effort that he put into his power punches, particularly his hooks. Shavers was by no means a big heavyweight at 6'1" and weighing in the neighborhood of 210 lbs. but he got incredible leverage from his shots.

In a different thread I used this analogy: Imagine that someone really makes you angry but you're not in a position to do anything about it. For example, your boss belittles you openly in front of several others without warning and without checking out his facts carefully. You feel like killing the guy, but you just have to take it and bide your time. You go home and go into your garage where a heavy bag waits, and you decide to pretend that the heavy bag is your boss. You grunt loudly as you put everything you have into a few shots against the heavy bag. That's the way Earnie Shavers threw his hooks. I ain't kidding!

i think foreman was the hardest hitter in boxing history---ripping through his opponents--foreman also has one hell of a chin--ali was the only man to ko him!

4 the record and no disrespect to shavers -i think tyson could have knocked out an ageing ali--he was a much better fighter than shavers--and i think he can hit harder

I would think somebody like David Tua would be the hardest puncher... He is like 5'9 and 230 with so much power... I haven't seen as clean of knock outs as his against a Ruiz and Moorer. Also Foreman was very strong, but alot of times it took alot of punches from him to bring somebody down because he had no snap on his punches. Mike Tyson had snap on his punches, but with his wild swinging punches he didn't root his feet because he was just short he had a to leap at the guy which took alot off his power, or he would have the hardest punches ever. Earnie Shavers punched hard no doubt, but I don't think he hit harder than Tyson and Tua.

Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

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Originally Posted by Master

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

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you would think so Master, but we got these here young whippersnapper know-it-alls saying Lamon Brewster and Wladimir Klitschko and Dereck Chisora hit harder. haha look how stupid each successive generation is getting. No reason to even dignify responses to their diarrhea drivel.

So this is what the 300th thread about this gatekeeper with a punch? See you tomorrow with this same topic again. Proving Max Power wrong is no impressive accomplishment. Just let him talk and he'll do it on his own. Better yet let's devote the entire board to Shavers, at least it won't be more Floyd talk or Manny.

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So this is what the 300th thread about this gatekeeper with a punch? See you tomorrow with this same topic again. Proving Max Power wrong is no impressive accomplishment. Just let him talk and he'll do it on his own. Better yet let's devote the entire board to Shavers, at least it won't be more Floyd talk or Manny.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

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What is this, the "EXPOSURE OF EARNIE SHAVERS WEEK".

We all know that Earnie Shavers is far below normal intelligence. And we all know that is a typical thing from boxers from what I call the "punch-bag eras" of boxing.

Pre-defence eras. Pre-80's era's.

So let's take a look at these guys statements...

Lyle was knocked out by Foreman, yet Lyle wasted Shavers. Foreman was obviously the hardest puncher LYle fought.
Ali was stopped by Holmes and knocked down very many times, pretty much knocked out by Cooper. Shavers never managed to knock Ali down.
Mike Tyson dealt Holmes his only canvas KO of career, Holmes beat Shavers 2ce. Tyson was obviously the hardest hitter Holmes ever faced.

All 3 are full of shit and exposed as the biggest crap artists in the sport as far as fighters go, exceeded in stupidity only by Shavers himself!

The real question is WHY these guys lie.

2 reasons have been put forward.

(a) The body as a defence mechanism, shuts down it's pain mechanism from the hardest of punches or maybe because the power of the blow is so severe that it simply concusses the victim so badly that they are unable to remember it properly. This point seems almost too stupid to mention but apparently has gone unthought of from OTNB sources.

(b) Shavers stands at a pinnacle position in the house of cards that is the golden era of boxing. Bummifying Shavers, bummifys the whole era. By pumping up Shavers as a decent opponent, all of the golden era boxers who beat him pump up their own wins and glorify themselves for having beaten somebody as dangerous as Shavers and completely ignore the fact that despite nearly 100 fights, Shavers never won against a decent opponent with the single exception being Ken Norton.

Funny enough, the Klitschko opponent Samuel Peter can be described as a "Super-Shavers", stylistically similar except much stronger in every way, heavier, more muscular, physically stronger, tougher chin and durability, much more powerful punch. Yet Peter is ironically slammed often, even though he was a world champ and Shavers is promoted, despite the fact he was not 1/5th the fighter Peter was and was never a world champ.

Only in OTNB land ;)

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by Master

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

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you would think so Master, but we got these here young whippersnapper know-it-alls saying Lamon Brewster and Wladimir Klitschko and Dereck Chisora hit harder. haha look how stupid each successive generation is getting. No reason to even dignify responses to their diarrhea drivel.

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Look here at Lamon Brewster...

http://www.boxsport-news.de/wp-conte...m-Springer.jpg

And here at Earnie Shavers...

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/induction...havers_web.jpg

Do you see the difference, yes or no?

Earnie Shavers never stopped a 200+ opponent with a good record except Kenny Norton, a prolific bum beater that makes Wilders resume look stellar. Brewster has a Tyson like KO ratio against 200+ opponents exclusively who were of considerably better quality than Shavers.

Shavers can barely box, Brewster is a good boxer. Shavers 210lbs, Brewster 230lbs. Brewster only few losses to good opponents, Shavers enormous amount of losses to even bummy and cruiser opponents.

Lamon Brewster world champ. Earnie Shaver, never a champ!

Again, do you see the difference, yes or no?

On the contrary, it's only in the minds of OTNB that a guy like Shavers even competes in a similar league let alone hits harder than a guy like Brewster!

In direct contradiction to your theory on the intelligence of us young posters there is a more accurate description of reality. For the 150 years of recorded boxing, every generation has been ridiculed by the previous generation as having been worse than the one before it, only for it later to been lauded in fact much better.

Now, for the first time in history, there is a sizable portion of boxing fans who have become intelligent enough to realise theirs IS the best generation BEFORE the era is in the past! Indeed these are very exciting times ;)

Since I started to write on this board again, I have seen many threads about this Shavers. I have watched him sparingly because his fights were all about if he could land a punch or not, which means he took much punishment and could box shit. Now when he is brought up again here I have watched him again on the tube.

And now I see him as even a worser fighter. All I can ever stand watching is highlights of him knocking or hurting opponents. Watching full fights with him was a pain (except the final round against Ali), seeing this bum just walking around and covering up, almost no punching, gassing out even though he said he chopped wood all that physically tough excersise, weak chin. Jesus Christ, why all this about Shavers?

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Originally Posted by Arvid_85

Since I started to write on this board again, I have seen many threads about this Shavers. I have watched him sparingly because his fights were all about if he could land a punch or not, which means he took much punishment and could box shit. Now when he is brought up again here I have watched him again on the tube.

And now I see him as even a worser fighter. All I can ever stand watching is highlights of him knocking or hurting opponents. Watching full fights with him was a pain (except the final round against Ali), seeing this bum just walking around and covering up, almost no punching, gassing out even though he said he chopped wood all that physically tough excersise, weak chin. Jesus Christ, why all this about Shavers?

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I will tell you why...

Because Shavers is very special for Nostslgists to promote.

Because he beat Muhammad Ali, and he beat Ken Norton and Foreman and Frazier didn't fight him. And he had competitive fights with young Holmes.

If Earnie Shavers is NOT upheld as something special, of Earnie Shavers is properly regarded as the total bum that he is/was... Then this is what happens...

Muhammad Ali lost to ANOTHER bum.
Ken Norton lost to a bum.
Holmes struggled to beat a bum
Frazier ducked a bum
Foreman ducked a bum

And the whole Golden era it is clear is the most unusually weak era in history even given it's relatively late appearance in the history of boxing.

This is unacceptable for OTNB, so the mythology of Shavers, the religious construction that has become the identity of Earnie Shavers, is put forward as the answer as to the expaination of how such a terrible boxer could pose so much difficulties for the other boxers.

Although it is clear to any objective reader that Earnie Shavers would never step into a professional boxing ring today either as a Cruiser or as a heavy, some of these guys here in fact DO really believe that Shavers would be a decent opponent today at world ranked level.

There are the indoctrinators, and the indoctrinated.

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

;)

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Originally Posted by Max Power

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

;)

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Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

;)

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Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

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There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge ;)

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! ;) lol

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

;)

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Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

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There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge ;)

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! ;) lol

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I used to be a Film Producer in the porn industry. Earnie did one particular movie in '74 called "The Acorn Rips Mrs. MP a New One" ;)

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Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

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Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

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There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge ;)

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! ;) lol

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I used to be a Film Producer in the porn industry. Earnie did one particular movie in '74 called "The Acorn Rips Mrs. MP a New One" ;)

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LOL It would have been considered "kiddie porn" back then and you should probably be prosecuted. ;D

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Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

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All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

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Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

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There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge ;)

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! ;) lol

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I used to be a Film Producer in the porn industry. Earnie did one particular movie in '74 called "The Acorn Rips Mrs. MP a New One" ;)

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LOL It would have been considered "kiddie porn" back then and you should probably be prosecuted. ;D

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neither me nor Earnie were kids in '74.

I was referring to me being the kid, as I guessed "MP" was meant to stand for "Max Power"...

Of course I was not even born until 1981 which makes the joke irrelevant either way anyhow but good for a laugh LOL.

Anyway the guy is a bum. And he was ALWAYS a bum. You want to support a boxer like that, go ahead.

I only deal in facts!

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I was referring to me being the kid, as I guessed "MP" was meant to stand for "Max Power"...

Of course I was not even born until 1981 which makes the joke irrelevant either way anyhow but good for a laugh LOL.

Anyway the guy is a bum. And he was ALWAYS a bum. You want to support a boxer like that, go ahead.

I only deal in facts!

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As I have said already the bums you support like Chisora and Povetkin will not be remembered.

That is because Ali/Holmes/Lyle has never been hit by the Klitchkos and Lennox Lewis...

Shavers was a bum

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Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

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How would they know? Bunch of liars.

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Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

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How would they know? Bunch of liars.

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You cant debate this kind of shit Brock. Well you can but I'm done really. These daily crucifixions of all time greats and misrepresentation of what people even say about them is simply over the top. I'll simply spend less time here is all. Last week it felt like this was Earnie Shavers.com....the dark side.
These dipshits cant even come to grips with giving a puncher credit for being a puncher. Its beyond addressing anymore. So now I simply don't read a thing they say or respond. Its really quite liberating even though I rarely responded to begin with. These are the same people that a few centuries ago insisted the world was flat.

Ps-I only responded here because you were the author. So I wont be back to this thread either.

And remember that famous saying often credited to Mr.Twain, "never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience";D

Peace

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These dipshits cant even come to grips with giving a puncher credit for being a puncher.

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Who didn't give Earnie credit for being a puncher?

I feel guilty when I see these golden age guys get so upset when someone actually bothers to question their heroes. Maybe we should just all shut up and let grampa ramble on about how his generation was the greatest :D

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I feel guilty when I see these golden age guys get so upset when someone actually bothers to question their heroes. Maybe we should just all shut up and let grampa ramble on about how his generation was the greatest :D

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@IamInuit is in despair.

The very same internet he now uses to spread the gospel about his past heroes is the very same internet that enabled the masses to see the fights and check the records for themselves and expose his past heroes.

What a dilemma, double edged sword ;)

Wednesday ~ September 22, 1971

Sierra Tahoe ~ Reno, Nevada

Earnie Shavers ~ 29-2-0 {29 KO's} ~ 207 lbs.
vs.
Larry 'Irish Pat' Duncan ~ 19-3-1 {15 KO's} ~ 203 lbs.

"For the USA Nevada State Heavyweight Championship"
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Earnie Shavers {Age; 26 years, 1 month} is looking to add his '1st' Championship
to his mantel.

Larry 'Irish Pat' Duncan {Age; 22 years, 9 months} is a sharp-hitting puncher, who
has surprising power.

'Irish Pat' is now based out of Carson City, Nevada - and will be the local favorite.

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Wednesday ~ September 22, 1971

Sierra Tahoe ~ Reno, Nevada

Earnie Shavers ~ 29-2-0 {29 KO's} ~ 207 lbs.
vs.
Larry 'Irish Pat' Duncan ~ 19-3-1 {15 KO's} ~ 203 lbs.

"For the USA Nevada State Heavyweight Championship"
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Earnie Shavers {Age; 26 years, 1 month} is looking to add his '1st' Championship
to his mantel.

Larry 'Irish Pat' Duncan {Age; 22 years, 9 months} is a sharp-hitting puncher, who
has surprising power.

'Irish Pat' is now based out of Carson City, Nevada - and will be the local favorite.

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FINALLY!

Shavers takes on a decent opponent!

No wonder he wasn't the favourite!

'Lesson for the Day'

Earnie Shavers had a record of 29-2-0 with {29 KO's}.

Amazingly, Earnie had only been campaigning as a Professional for
22-Months.

It was an 'Earn While You Learn' campaign. Lots of bouts for small money.

Promoter/Manager {Dean Chance} had shipped Earnie out to Los Angeles
in May 1971 to train with Jerry Quarry.

Then, Earnie would travel into Nevada to have his monthly 'small venue' bouts there.
* June 16
* July 13
* August 11
* September 28

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'Lesson for the Day'

Earnie Shavers had a record of 29-2-0 with {29 KO's}.

Amazingly, Earnie had only been campaigning as a Professional for
22-Months.

It was an 'Earn While You Learn' campaign. Lots of bouts for small money.

Promoter/Manager {Dean Chance} had shipped Earnie out to Los Angeles
in May 1971 to train with Jerry Quarry.

Then, Earnie would travel into Nevada to have his monthly 'small venue' bouts there.
* June 16
* July 13
* August 11
* September 28

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Yes, I don't have any particular problem with this method of development.

Building up your record and experience through frequent and prolific bum beating has significant merit, just ask Deontay. If it works it works.

But we don't credit Wilder for all the cans he's whacked out do we!

Anyway it's nice to see Earnie step it up here against a respectable opponent, well done Earnie lol

Max, Max

Larry 'Irish Pat' Duncan was the local favorite, because he was based
out of Carson City, Nevada.

He was 'not' the Betting-Favorite.

'Irish Pat' with a record of 19-3-1 {15 KO's}, would be Earnie's toughest
opponent to date.

The 22 1/2 year-old was soild at {203 lbs.}, and could rip off combinations
fairly quick.

Pre-Fight Chatter

If Pat Duncan can get thru the 4th Round, he will make it a fight. Earnie tends
to run out of steam early, as he puts everything he has into every punch.

Duncan's chin will most likely be tested, and he may get battered here. Earnie
might not drop Pat, but he will definitely bust him up in the early going.

If Pat can hang on and take the early onslaught, he just might catch an exhausted
Shavers late, and take him out.