Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
I think RJJ would beat Danny Green, similar to how Anthony Mundine did it. Based on there styles being somewhat similar. But i do think Danny Green has been unlucky.

As Bilbo said he was very unlucky twice against Markus Beyer, and in reality probably should of won both fights. His only real true loss was too Anthony Mundine, who i think is very skilled although he hasn't took any risks in quite sometime which is disappointing.

I don't know if he is world class though, and i don't think just because you win a world title. It means it automatically makes you world class either, i mean Gavin Rees won a world title does anyone consider Gavis Rees world class ?

I mean would Danny Green beat any of the top fighters, at Light Heavyweight ? guys like Tavoris Cloud, Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Bernard Hopkins, Zsolt Erdei, Jean Pascal, RJJ, Antonio Tarver ?

To be world class you have to be able to beat the top fighters, in the division and i don't think Danny Green could. I think he's a solid fighter who deserves a break, but im really not sure about him being world class.

I mean he's beaten guys like Eric Lucas, and thats another fighter who won a world title and made a few defenses. But again i don't think he was world class either, and he was lucky he got a shot against a pretty weak champion.

And the same with Markus Beyer again he won a world title, but when i watch him do i consider him elite ? no i don't alot of different things come into it. Like how strong a division is, who they won there title off ETC. And lets be honest the Super Middleweight division has been weak for sometime.

Since Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, all retired. The top American fighters only briefly stayed there and moved up, can you imagine if fighters like James Toney, RJJ, stayed at Super Middleweight ? or even if Bernard Hopkins had moved up.

Do you think fighters like Markus Beyer, Eric Lucas, would even stand a chance at winning a belt ? no they wouldn't there solid fighters but not world class fighters. Who picked up belts because the division was weak.

This makes no sense whatsoever. By definition the best fighters in any division at any one time are world class. How can they not be?

If you have fought for world titles and operated on the world stage then you have to be world class, else what class are they fighting in?

Green has done far more in his career than Gavin Rees, as you yourself said he's been in with at least 4 world champs and beaten two.

If he's not world class what about guys like Urango, Malignaggi, Witter, Collazo, Berto, Andrade, Pascal etc?

Are none of them world class either?

World class does not equal p4p or elite, it just means they compete at the very highest level, championship fights, and can fight and win against top opposition.

Green has proven he can done that, not against the elite level but he's certainly strong enough to compete at a world stage and its frankly ridiculous to argue otherwise.

According to your logic no fighters are world class other than those in the to 20 p4p or so.

If can win world title and fight in 4 world title fights you are by definition world class, he's not fighting at domestic level, and he's not fighting at Commonwealth, or Pan Asian level. He's world class.

Is Scott Lawton domestic class considering there are many domestic fighters better than him? Should he be regional class? What about Thaxton, is he not domestic class anymore?

When you are winning world titles, and fighting at the world level you have to be world class because that's the class of fighter you are fighting in.

I expect Green could creep back into the Ring top 10 at light heavy or cruiserweight when their next ratings come out which again, by definition would be world class.

I just think sometimes you guys like to split hairs.