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so just cause Ramirez has a who's who of great fighters on his records even if all but 2 fights (should just be the one win against El Chapo) he's automatically one of the greatest fighter's to grace the earth? he fought the best and lost every time but once, you're smoking huge rocks bro, just cause the guy might be your favorite fighter doesn't make him a great, rewriting history to build up your boy and then I'm the one who's ignorant? lol
Ricardo Lopez has no1 in his resume , except from Alvarez whom beside of Lopez has no1 in his .
So both r just a little bit more than nobodies 2 me .
Jose Luis Ramirez showed that he could beat good fighters in Edwin Rosario , Alexis Arguello and Pernell Whitaker . Ricardo Lopez has no name which comes close 2 these . Had he been great he would've gone 3 lbs north and challenged Michael Carbajal but his handlers and possibly himself knew that Carbajal would've KOd him . As 4 Ramirez , i guess that he and his handlers feared no1 , and usually that feeling was well backed up in d ring .
U claim he only beat Rosario , but going by boxrec he also beat
Whitaker , and going by my scorecards he also beat Arguello . People far more knowledgeable than yourself who watched that fight scored it 4 Ramirez and i don't remember any1 claiming that Arguello deserved it . But u claim that Ramirez only ever beat Rosario . U R 1 big ignorant casual , didn't i already mention it ?
And u couldn't bring me 1 reasonable opponents whom Ricardo Lopez proved his "greatness" against . No1 . His best opponent was Rosendo Alvarez whom just like himself was far from being great and does not make even d all time top 10 of Mexico . U consider him great based on shadowboxing against cab drivers . Go watch RJJ highlights beating policemen .

Ramirez also KOd Cornellius Boza-Edwards and outpointed Terrence Ali , fighters whom at least had d balls d fight d best . Ricardo Lopez had no balls and would have been KOd by Carbajal if he had any . Usually i don't blame fighters 4 not wanting 2 fight fighters in a division above them , but Ricardo Lopez has 0 wins that counts . This is his true record : 0-0-2 .


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According to this bizarre reasoning JMM should never have got the draw against Pacman in the first fight? Maybe Joe Frazier who was knocked down twice against Bonavena in round 2 of their first fight should never have got the decision? The 3rd Olivares V Castillo fight was almost a shut out except for the 6th round knockdown. Olivares clearly won the fight over 15 rounds losing no more than 2 or 3 rounds along the way. You score a fight over the 12 rounds and it does not matter if you score 2 knockdowns in the same round if you lose all the other rounds you will lose the fight!
Pacquiao massacred Marquez and if d 3 KD rule was in tact Marquez would have been stopped .
However it was not in tact and Marquez carried on and deserves some respect 4 it , but i don't think that he deserved 2 win against Pacquiao , not even a draw .
And yes , Frazier down twice vs Bonavena means that Bonavena was robbed by d judges who gave it 2 Frazier , at least 2 of them were criminals .

I know how scoring RBR works but i separate between it and a correct ruling of a fight .
no one but you has said that Ramirez legitimately beat Whitaker, for fucksake ESPN ranked it as one of the top 10 worst decisions in the history of the sport, dude you really are delusional, no point in arguing with you cause you're clueless the fact that you say that if a fighter is dropped he automatically loses a fight is laughable, Marquez was dropped 3 times in the first then then went on to fucking dominate, that's why he deserves respect, he clearly won the fight despite being dropped 3 times, you really need to get your headchecked and learn boxing, according to you Trinidad should have losses to a bunch of his opponents who got flash knockdowns on him, same would go for a hell of a lot of other fighters