Froch vs. Stevenson for April/May time, No agreement for Kessler

[Kirkland Laing]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

I think it's fair that Froch should get the Uk return as he travelled in the first place. Hearn has also put in the contract that they can have a third fight in a netural venue which seems like the fairest offer going. Kessler is confident enough in his ability and he said he would beat Froch again, if he's that confident he will travel this time.

It's not about fairness though, it's about Kessler being able to make big money from fights after he beats Froch again versus being an ex-champ making much less money to try and get a belt back. I have a feeling if Froch wants the fight he's going to have to go to Denmark again.

[Kirkland Laing]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

Id bet that Kessler is more of a national hero in Denmark than Froch is in England. Unfortunately for Carl as good as he is and as good his opponents have been he just hasnt had the exposure needed to be a massive draw like Hatton. Granted, hes not really going to appeal to the same dunce football hooligans that Hatton does but even Calzaghe managed to get 55,000 in a stadium to watch Kessler.

It cant all be that its down to Froch fighting on sky and not terrestrial as Hamed and Calzaghe both fought on sky and even pay per view but both got massive audineces and headlines. In fact Froch started out on the BBC. His style just isnt as eye pleasing.

Kessler is a proper celebrity in Denmark. He's on the front of their gossip magazines every week. He's got much less reason to travel than Froch has.

[Tam Seddon]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

Id bet that Kessler is more of a national hero in Denmark than Froch is in England. Unfortunately for Carl as good as he is and as good his opponents have been he just hasnt had the exposure needed to be a massive draw like Hatton. Granted, hes not really going to appeal to the same dunce football hooligans that Hatton does but even Calzaghe managed to get 55,000 in a stadium to watch Kessler.

It cant all be that its down to Froch fighting on sky and not terrestrial as Hamed and Calzaghe both fought on sky and even pay per view but both got massive audineces and headlines. In fact Froch started out on the BBC. His style just isnt as eye pleasing.

Kessler is a proper celebrity in Denmark. He's on the front of their gossip magazines every week. He's got much less reason to travel than Froch has.

If he doesnt travel then hes plain scared of Froch. Froch wasnt scared going to Denmark and lost a close fight. Kessler knows now Froch has improved because he destroyed Bute. Kessler wanted Bute to win so he could fight Bute, but Froch messed up the plans. Also as I said before Hearn offered the third fight on neutral territory so celebrity in Denmark or not he should be a champion and face Froch in England for the second fight. If Kessler believes hes the best he should do it, because he needs to fight somebody better than the likes of Magee who Froch KO'd years ago.

[bzkfn]

My understanding is that they agreed it would be in the UK. The issue is Nottingham. Froch wants Nottingham but Kessler wants Manchester or London for easy access to airports for the Danish fans. Money was also agreed. I really am unsure what the issue is. Maybe Kessler wanted a unification fight and the IBF are blocking that from happening.

[ross]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

Id bet that Kessler is more of a national hero in Denmark than Froch is in England. Unfortunately for Carl as good as he is and as good his opponents have been he just hasnt had the exposure needed to be a massive draw like Hatton. Granted, hes not really going to appeal to the same dunce football hooligans that Hatton does but even Calzaghe managed to get 55,000 in a stadium to watch Kessler.

It cant all be that its down to Froch fighting on sky and not terrestrial as Hamed and Calzaghe both fought on sky and even pay per view but both got massive audineces and headlines. In fact Froch started out on the BBC. His style just isnt as eye pleasing.

Kessler is a proper celebrity in Denmark. He's on the front of their gossip magazines every week. He's got much less reason to travel than Froch has.

If he doesnt travel then hes plain scared of Froch. Froch wasnt scared going to Denmark and lost a close fight. Kessler knows now Froch has improved because he destroyed Bute. Kessler wanted Bute to win so he could fight Bute, but Froch messed up the plans. Also as I said before Hearn offered the third fight on neutral territory so celebrity in Denmark or not he should be a champion and face Froch in England for the second fight. If Kessler believes hes the best he should do it, because he needs to fight somebody better than the likes of Magee who Froch KO'd years ago.

Kessler would have done it quicker. Stopping Bure doesnt mean Froch has improved. Kessler or Ward still have Frochs number.

[ruthless rocco]

Froch ko 7. Kessler is done.

[Beanz]

My understanding is that they agreed it would be in the UK. The issue is Nottingham. Froch wants Nottingham but Kessler wants Manchester or London for easy access to airports for the Danish fans. Money was also agreed. I really am unsure what the issue is. Maybe Kessler wanted a unification fight and the IBF are blocking that from happening.

They should do it in London. It could easily fill a stadium or Arena.

[bzkfn]

Kessler would have done it quicker. Stopping Bure doesnt mean Froch has improved. Kessler or Ward still have Frochs number.

Then why did Kessler shit out of a fight with Bute?

[bzkfn]

Carl Froch ridicules 'lamb to the slaughter' Adonis Stevenson | Boxing News | ESPN.co.uk

I love this interview. Apparently Froch gets told Stevenson said he'd knock Froch out and Froch says "well a tiger doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of a sheep". Genius.

To me though, they are basically advertising he will be fighting Stevenson. Kessler has gone quiet as a mouse, I'll be surprised if he is next now.

[Kirkland Laing]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

Id bet that Kessler is more of a national hero in Denmark than Froch is in England. Unfortunately for Carl as good as he is and as good his opponents have been he just hasnt had the exposure needed to be a massive draw like Hatton. Granted, hes not really going to appeal to the same dunce football hooligans that Hatton does but even Calzaghe managed to get 55,000 in a stadium to watch Kessler.

It cant all be that its down to Froch fighting on sky and not terrestrial as Hamed and Calzaghe both fought on sky and even pay per view but both got massive audineces and headlines. In fact Froch started out on the BBC. His style just isnt as eye pleasing.

Kessler is a proper celebrity in Denmark. He's on the front of their gossip magazines every week. He's got much less reason to travel than Froch has.

If he doesnt travel then hes plain scared of Froch. Froch wasnt scared going to Denmark and lost a close fight. Kessler knows now Froch has improved because he destroyed Bute. Kessler wanted Bute to win so he could fight Bute, but Froch messed up the plans. Also as I said before Hearn offered the third fight on neutral territory so celebrity in Denmark or not he should be a champion and face Froch in England for the second fight. If Kessler believes hes the best he should do it, because he needs to fight somebody better than the likes of Magee who Froch KO'd years ago.

What these guys are scared of is not making as much money out of their career as they possibly could do. Kessler is not scared of fighting Froch but none of these guys are doing this for the good of their health, it's all down to money, especially at the end of their careers. They want all their last fights to be big money paydays to top their retirement funds up.

Kessler can probably make more in the long run defending his belt in Denmark than coming to England and losing a close one to Froch. The "probably" here is the key thing. If Hearn offers Kessler enough money then Kessler will take the fight. But only if it's in his economic interest, nothing at all to do with being scared. It's all about the benjamins baby.

When did Hearn offer a third fight and have Kessler's people said he made the offer?

[Master]

Froch v Kessler will be a barn burner of a fight and probably a third instalment may be requested but that would be silly to do that at a neutral venue as they could sell it out in either fighters country. Either way they are fighting for second place as Ward is the premiere fighter in the division.

[Tam Seddon]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

Id bet that Kessler is more of a national hero in Denmark than Froch is in England. Unfortunately for Carl as good as he is and as good his opponents have been he just hasnt had the exposure needed to be a massive draw like Hatton. Granted, hes not really going to appeal to the same dunce football hooligans that Hatton does but even Calzaghe managed to get 55,000 in a stadium to watch Kessler.

It cant all be that its down to Froch fighting on sky and not terrestrial as Hamed and Calzaghe both fought on sky and even pay per view but both got massive audineces and headlines. In fact Froch started out on the BBC. His style just isnt as eye pleasing.

Kessler is a proper celebrity in Denmark. He's on the front of their gossip magazines every week. He's got much less reason to travel than Froch has.

If he doesnt travel then hes plain scared of Froch. Froch wasnt scared going to Denmark and lost a close fight. Kessler knows now Froch has improved because he destroyed Bute. Kessler wanted Bute to win so he could fight Bute, but Froch messed up the plans. Also as I said before Hearn offered the third fight on neutral territory so celebrity in Denmark or not he should be a champion and face Froch in England for the second fight. If Kessler believes hes the best he should do it, because he needs to fight somebody better than the likes of Magee who Froch KO'd years ago.

What these guys are scared of is not making as much money out of their career as they possibly could do. Kessler is not scared of fighting Froch but none of these guys are doing this for the good of their health, it's all down to money, especially at the end of their careers. They want all their last fights to be big money paydays to top their retirement funds up.

Kessler can probably make more in the long run defending his belt in Denmark than coming to England and losing a close one to Froch. The "probably" here is the key thing. If Hearn offers Kessler enough money then Kessler will take the fight. But only if it's in his economic interest, nothing at all to do with being scared. It's all about the benjamins baby.

When did Hearn offer a third fight and have Kessler's people said he made the offer?

He still will make a lot of money for fighting Froch though and it's not like he's been offered unfair terms IMO. If you read on the second page of this thread the Froch exclusive article I posted it says it there about the third fight.

I think it would be good if we could hear something from Kessler and his team because any news has all been from Hearn. I would like to see what the stumbling blocks in making the fight is from their eyes. But official news and not speculation. I hope something can be sorted though.

[Kirkland Laing]

Froch only brings 70% to the pot if you include the British gate money. Froch Kessler 2 can sell out a stadium in Denmark as easily as it can in England and then Kessler is bringing 70% to the pot.

We have a pretty good idea how the fight will go. An all action fight that could go either way on the cards after twelve rounds. If it's in Denmark Kessler probably gets the decision. If it's in England Froch probably gets the decision.

Froch is the one desperate for the rematch. Why should Kessler come over to England and probably lose when he can have the fight in Denmark and probably win? The record books aren't going to worry about where the fights were held, they're just going to record who won.

Id bet that Kessler is more of a national hero in Denmark than Froch is in England. Unfortunately for Carl as good as he is and as good his opponents have been he just hasnt had the exposure needed to be a massive draw like Hatton. Granted, hes not really going to appeal to the same dunce football hooligans that Hatton does but even Calzaghe managed to get 55,000 in a stadium to watch Kessler.

It cant all be that its down to Froch fighting on sky and not terrestrial as Hamed and Calzaghe both fought on sky and even pay per view but both got massive audineces and headlines. In fact Froch started out on the BBC. His style just isnt as eye pleasing.

Kessler is a proper celebrity in Denmark. He's on the front of their gossip magazines every week. He's got much less reason to travel than Froch has.

If he doesnt travel then hes plain scared of Froch. Froch wasnt scared going to Denmark and lost a close fight. Kessler knows now Froch has improved because he destroyed Bute. Kessler wanted Bute to win so he could fight Bute, but Froch messed up the plans. Also as I said before Hearn offered the third fight on neutral territory so celebrity in Denmark or not he should be a champion and face Froch in England for the second fight. If Kessler believes hes the best he should do it, because he needs to fight somebody better than the likes of Magee who Froch KO'd years ago.

What these guys are scared of is not making as much money out of their career as they possibly could do. Kessler is not scared of fighting Froch but none of these guys are doing this for the good of their health, it's all down to money, especially at the end of their careers. They want all their last fights to be big money paydays to top their retirement funds up.

Kessler can probably make more in the long run defending his belt in Denmark than coming to England and losing a close one to Froch. The "probably" here is the key thing. If Hearn offers Kessler enough money then Kessler will take the fight. But only if it's in his economic interest, nothing at all to do with being scared. It's all about the benjamins baby.

When did Hearn offer a third fight and have Kessler's people said he made the offer?

He still will make a lot of money for fighting Froch though and it's not like he's been offered unfair terms IMO. If you read on the second page of this thread the Froch exclusive article I posted it says it there about the third fight.

I think it would be good if we could hear something from Kessler and his team because any news has all been from Hearn. I would like to see what the stumbling blocks in making the fight is from their eyes. But official news and not speculation. I hope something can be sorted though.

Hearn is full of shit. As the deadline to agreeing the mandatory gets closer Kessler's negotiating position getas stronger. A couple of days ago Hearn was claiming that the Stevenson fight was a big money fight and that HBO were interested in showing a fight between two non-Americans who've never been on HBO before. So he's not giving us the unvarnished truth. Sauerland won't either but if we knew what they were saying then we could guess better at the truth. Hopefully some Danish Saddoer chips in with what they're being told.

[Beanz]

Eric!