Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[Dark Lord Al]

Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?

What has Wlad acomplished?

Hes not ever been the undisputed champ and he's not even a better fighter than Corrie Sanders and his brother would have beaten him up.

Wlad and Vitali have said they will never fight , so how can he be undisputed champ while they are both active ?

Vitali gives up his belt or retires, fucking simple!

They wont. If one loses the other still has a grip for their promotions.

Both are active so for the past many years he cant be undisputed champ , as for "simple" Vitali should retire ? Im sure Vitali will choose to retire when he feels he wants to , what that has got to do with Wlad's career I have no idea.
Vitali may be Wlad's brother but he makes his own choices im sure.
So your comment " fucking simple " is not simple is it ross ?
Now NVSemin he is simple.

[ross]

Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?

What has Wlad acomplished?

Hes not ever been the undisputed champ and he's not even a better fighter than Corrie Sanders and his brother would have beaten him up.

Wlad and Vitali have said they will never fight , so how can he be undisputed champ while they are both active ?

Vitali gives up his belt or retires, fucking simple!

They wont. If one loses the other still has a grip for their promotions.

Both are active so for the past many years he cant be undisputed champ , as for "simple" Vitali should retire ? Im sure Vitali will choose to retire when he feels he wants to , what that has got to do with Wlad's career I have no idea.
Vitali may be Wlad's brother but he makes his own choices im sure.
So your comment " fucking simple " is not simple is it ross ?
Now NVSemin he is simple.

If Vitali doesnt retire, there is always someone around who would beat Wlad. If they dont ever fight, Wlad can never be remembered as the best of this era.

[Dark Lord Al]

Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?

What has Wlad acomplished?

Hes not ever been the undisputed champ and he's not even a better fighter than Corrie Sanders and his brother would have beaten him up.

Wlad and Vitali have said they will never fight , so how can he be undisputed champ while they are both active ?

Vitali gives up his belt or retires, fucking simple!

They wont. If one loses the other still has a grip for their promotions.

Both are active so for the past many years he cant be undisputed champ , as for "simple" Vitali should retire ? Im sure Vitali will choose to retire when he feels he wants to , what that has got to do with Wlad's career I have no idea.
Vitali may be Wlad's brother but he makes his own choices im sure.
So your comment " fucking simple " is not simple is it ross ?
Now NVSemin he is simple.

If Vitali doesnt retire, there is always someone around who would beat Wlad. If they dont ever fight, Wlad can never be remembered as the best of this era.

I don't disagree with that at all. but its silly to say " simple " Vitali retires like its Wlad's choice.

[ross]

So you rank Vitali higher than Wlad?

[Dark Lord Al]

So you rank Vitali higher than Wlad?

That is a difficult question, as they have never fought , however do I think Vitali would beat Wlad prime for prime , who has the better legacy well that is up for debate.
Wlad is a bit like my favourite boxer Tommy Hearns , he can dominate certain fighters with ease , however some fighters styles are just a nightmare for them , and they lose brutally.

[powerpuncher]

i do agree that vitali being around hurts wlads legacy. i too agree that vitali beat wlad.

i do want to hear peoples reasoning for wlad being in the top 10 though because i literally cant think of a reason, even if i were giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he would be top 10. maybe people just arent familiar with the history of HW boxing. and thats not meant to be an insult, its just an observation.

and i totally disagree that wlad would give any HW a good fight. i could name a lot of HWs that i think would easily dismantle him. i think he hits hard obviously and has good basic fundamentals, but to be a top fighter, you have to be able to handle diversity well which wlad hasnt been able to do in his career. he folds under pressure.

[Vendettos]

I could squeeze Wlad in at 11-15.

It's all the more impressive because he has a weak chin, but has developed ways to not get hit a lot.


But I don't see him top ten.

A young George Foreman walks through him, same with Tyson, I don't see him lasting a round with those 2.

But you can make a argument for him against people like Fraizer, Marciano, Dempsey, due to his size advantages.