Reparations for slavery...... yay or nay?

[TitoFan]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

[Beanz]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

[walrus]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

yup real fearful, shaking with fear. I notice Big D Lars and The other racist who’s name I forget agreeing quite often

[TitoFan]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

Haven't read the whole thing yet, as it's quite lengthy and I wanted to respond before I read it. Still.... I got the gist of it.

Yes, it is a good piece of writing. But allow me to express a few thoughts up front.


Please.... do not continue lumping me in with other people. Please understand this is an annoying (and denigrating) habit which basically insults the intelligence of the other person. Give me the credit I give others of making up our own minds without belonging to some sort of "cult."

I'm sure Lyle and Walrus have their own thoughts on the matter. We will agree on some points, and disagree on others. You and I have both been here long enough to know I'm very much an individual.

Number two... I do not need to read that essay to realize the very real nature of racism and its continuing persistence into today's society... particularly in certain areas of the Deep South.

Admittedly, the article does bring out specific facts that are horrifying and sad to read at the same time. Sad that humans could be that callow, unjust, and ignorant.

I'm fully aware that racial injustices, including lynchings, have occurred well into the 20th century. Racial injustices didn't end with the end of slavery. Nobody in their right minds would believe such a crock.

Frankly, upon reading articles such as this, it's small wonder people like Denilson exist. Except I think Denilson carries it to a ridiculous extreme, as also thinks any sane person who reads the rubbish he writes.



Having said all this, I stand by my opinion that the way to "right a wrong" can sometimes be misdirected. I personally much prefer to look forward and see how we can bring the hammer down on institutionalized racism once and for all.

I could write a damn book on all my thoughts on this subject, as I'm sure many of us could as well.

I've always said I would've been a militant black had I been born black in the 50's or 60's in the States. Racism to me is one of the most vile, disgusting, inexcusable traits a human being could have.



What are some of my "cures" for this?

First, understand that the so called "quotas" of the past (and present), where the government assigns numbers to the number of blacks and women you have to hire....... is a gigantic mental ball of crap spawned by some lazy legislators who were late for a lunch date and needed to give the impression that they really gave a shit. It has NEVER worked.

Nothing artificial works or lasts.

But instead of trying to wrestle this "reparations monster" into submission and make everybody happy (it'll never happen), I'd favor using the inglorious, shameful racial past of the U.S. to do everything in our power to ensure that organizations get punished for discrimination, and rewarded for the lack thereof.

Granted, exact measures are a bit above my pay grade..... so before someone comes charging in here demanding to know how exactly I'd fix it....... I'll respond that if I had the answer, I wouldn't be sitting here putting it on Saddo's.

Measure number one: Abolish, criminalize the existence of ALL hate groups. KKK, White Supremacists, Aryan Nation, Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, etc. "OH..... but our 1st Amendment rights!" FUCK THAT..... with a capital "FUCK". The founding fathers did not intend for free speech to include "Hey Billy Bob..... let's go lynch so-and-so because he's black and we're better than him. We hate him." To claim as such, is to hide behind a document written eons ago and not using your gray matter between the ears to discern between what's right and what's wrong. If freedom of speech is the total blanket I say it is..... then I should be able to shout "Bomb!" at airports, and freely talk about how I'm planning on killing Donald Trump. Let's call a spade a spade and quit playing pretend. There's is NO fucking excuse for hate groups.

Hate crimes? I'm all for it. Does it need tweaking? Sure. But as I've said countless times....... Joe kills Jack because he was taking his wallet and Jack resisted..... he might get a 30-year sentence or life. Joe kills Jack just because Jack is black and was minding his own business? Joe gets the death penalty. TWICE. Nobody has to agree with me on this. It's my own thought. And by the way, Beanz....... you may have noticed that Lyle and I have never seen eye to eye on this. Doesn't mean we are disrespectful to each other or that we don't agree on anything.

Civil War statues and memorials? I'd leave them be. Use them to educate kids on the horrors of the nation's past. It's history. You don't erase history. You use it to correct past mistakes.

I also stand by my opinion that paying blacks reparations will NOT do anything toward lessening racial tensions now or in the future.

White Joe pays taxes toward reparations to black Jack. Now Joe says........ "There. I paid you. Now we're even. Now I can continue being the same racist asshole I've always been, and you can't say a damn thing about it because you've been paid." You do not pay for the mistakes of the past by assigning a dollar sign to it and off you go.

More solutions. The government should intervene in any state of the union that does not conform to integration policies and persists in living in the past. The government should come down HARD on institutionalized racism. We don't need rocket scientists to know what is institutionalized racism and what isn't.




I'll weigh in some more after I've read the article.

[Beanz]

Sorry if i seemed like i was lumping you in with anyone, that was not my intention. I am just repeatedly dismayed by people's refusal to engage with anything that does not confirm their own viewpoint. On a subject like race I know that has never been the case with you. I like the fact that it is not an essay promising easy answers or pretending that even things like positive discrimination are a yes or no choice. You can make a strong logical argument for and against legislation to enforce positive discrimination, but in practice a sensible fuzzy implementation using common sense can work, as can an awareness that it is often very easy to not be aware of barriers that actually reinforce and have for many years implemented positive discrimination on behalf of the majority for no good reason.

E.G Universal access design. For many years people have put stairs on the front of buildings because that is what they have always done. Often a slope or ramp can not be more aesthetically coherent, it can help not just disabled access but also more easily accessed by parents with pushchairs and prams, Delivery and maintenance staff with trolleys, the elderly, etc. It is not being an SJW to recognize that this is a simple barrier that often keeps a large portion of the population from being able to access some buildings, but to then, with that knowledge, carry on building places without this kind of principle is actually maintaining a barrier that does not need to be there. It does not mean those architects and town planners hate disabled people but it does mean that they are refusing to engage with the multiple barriers the disabled people face and the reality many of us will have to face if we all live long lives. I think the same barriers are there for other groups and communities on many levels and the explicit nature of a term like 'White Supremacy' can make us blind to many of it's less visible implications.

When people throw up their hands at even studying reparations or the impact of slavery and yet are very quick to cite absent Black fathers and the bell curve and other data to maintain their own fantasy bubble, then it is they and not just those wanting to pull down statues who are trying to erase history.

[Cleon]

"The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it."

It is brilliantly insightful. Thanks Kirkland. People do not like difficult questions and would rather dismiss them, so I expect it would be beyond many to even contemplate the value of another perspective, let alone try and reexamine long held beliefs thru another lens. It is worth the effort, but it is an effort nonetheless, and so it is easier to just mock, roll the eyes and pretend that confronting difficult questions us in itself a vapid and stupid exercise.

Fuck that kind of entrenched privileged cowardice.

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

So....... anyone who feels reparations are a bad idea is secretly harboring a deep fear that white supremacy will be found out as a real, deeply-ingrained issue rather than "the work of hotheaded demagogues"? Damn..... that's deep.


Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).



No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

Precious.

It is a brilliant essay. A very accomplished piece of work. I would recommend reading it. Don't let Walrus and El Kabong's predictable fearful response put you off engaging with a difficult subject, in a nuanced way. Just because they will do anything in their power to reduce everything down to primary school level mudslinging, there is no reason to buy into their one dimensional world view.


Forget about slaves, forget about money, forget about anything from 100+ yrs ago and read it with an open mind and tell me that the essay is laughable?


They employ the same tactic when people talk about fascists as though it is all just a big game that they can stay on their high horse and snigger about.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/

Can anyone use that word snigger

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

What quote ?

Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

White man - You are the one that brought up the past and now your saying the past should be forgot about and people should look forward.

Make up your mind.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Black people built the USA. So black people should get cash payments.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).

If black people were as resentful as you claim, then there would be no white ppl.

Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to white people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Asian people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Latino people.

Black people have been the most peaceful on the planet. You also know on some deep buried level, that if whites were in our position ? They would feel a murderous rage towards black people.

I think on a level that's so buried deep in white people's subconscious. They are aware of the violence and the THREATENED violence that it takes to keep a system going that they receive collective privileges from.

Black rage is justified.

If black people (who are PLACED BY WHITE PEOPLE at the BOTTOM of the RACIAL hierarchy) can be racist, what does that make the white people who created/invented/continue/enjoy the system/hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of everyone else[​IMG]

I couldn’t care less what white folks think or say in regard to anything I write here. Why should I? If they cared (as a collective/group) about black people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

There’s something SPIRITUALLY wrong/lacking/woefully amiss in a group/collective who will continually support a diabolical system that mistreats people based upon the color of their skin — for centuries.

No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

I suspect that all white people are racists / white supremacists. That means even whites who marry and have kids to black people. Even whites who write books on racism.

All of them

[TitoFan]

Wow. The kind of quote Denilson would undoubtedly approve of.

What quote ?

Well that's totally disappointing. Here I was thinking I was just emphasizing the importance of looking forward, instead of wallowing in the past and stirring up the shit so it will smell up the room all that much more.

White man - You are the one that brought up the past and now your saying the past should be forgot about and people should look forward.

Make up your mind.

Brought up the past as a point of reference to say we should move on and look ahead. A difficult concept to grasp, I know. Believe me, it taxes all of my patience and then some to have to explain to you the very elemental aspects of conversation. Not to mention this.......

I have no racial hangups.

What's a racial hangup ?

It's painfully obvious to anyone who engages you that you're not dealing with a full deck. But that's ok. We all have our issues. Yours is that you have very low reading comprehension... that you seem to be stuck on one gear regarding racism... and that you probably had a traumatic, life-altering experience as a child (not long ago) which scarred you forever.

Here I was thinking that such an idea would be next to impossible to implement..... and would only leave tattered emotions and serve to separate people even more..... as reparations distributions would surely be uneven and unjust in many cases.

Black people built the USA. So black people should get cash payments.

That's your opinion. Fair point.

However, if you think this is, in any way, going to improve racial relations in the U.S., you're sadly mistaken. I realize this don't mean shit to you.... but it does to intelligent people that actually live in the U.S.

Here I was thinking that paying black people today for the sins of yesterday would never change people's minds on either side of the equation. (In other words..... resentful blacks (see Denilson) will ALWAYS be resentful blacks..... and white supremacist will now be resentful white supremacists).

If black people were as resentful as you claim, then there would be no white ppl.

How resentful did I claim they are? Answer the question. You said "as resentful as you claim". That presumes a magnitude of resentfulness that I did not speak of. So HOW resentful did I claim they are? Either make sense with your words, or STFU.

Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to white people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Asian people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Latino people.

Black people have been the most peaceful on the planet. You also know on some deep buried level, that if whites were in our position ? They would feel a murderous rage towards black people.

I think on a level that's so buried deep in white people's subconscious. They are aware of the violence and the THREATENED violence that it takes to keep a system going that they receive collective privileges from.

Black rage is justified.

If black people (who are PLACED BY WHITE PEOPLE at the BOTTOM of the RACIAL hierarchy) can be racist, what does that make the white people who created/invented/continue/enjoy the system/hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of everyone else[​IMG]

I couldn’t care less what white folks think or say in regard to anything I write here. Why should I? If they cared (as a collective/group) about black people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

There’s something SPIRITUALLY wrong/lacking/woefully amiss in a group/collective who will continually support a diabolical system that mistreats people based upon the color of their skin — for centuries.

No. Anyone against this idea is really a closet white supremacist that believes white supremacy is an invention of hysterical leftists.

I suspect that all white people are racists / white supremacists.

Stop using the words "I suspect". One time it's "ALL white people are racists" and the next time it's "I suspect all white people are racists." You can't have it both ways. To use your words... make up your goddamn mind.

That means even whites who marry and have kids to black people. Even whites who write books on racism.

All of them

You speak 5% that makes a wee bit of sense..... and bury it with your 95% nonsense.

Your assertions that "ALL white people this....... ALL white people that....." are childish, exaggerated, ludicrous, and obliterate any speck of credibility you might be able to build with people you address.

You're doing blacks a disservice by being the racist, deluded nutcase you are..... because racism IS a real problem, and one that needs to be addressed. But addressed between intelligent whites and blacks. Not by deluded loons like yourself.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

Brought up the past as a point of reference to say we should move on and look ahead. A difficult concept to grasp, I know. Believe me, it taxes all of my patience and then some to have to explain to you the very elemental aspects of conversation. Not to mention this.......

You are the one that brought it up. You are the one that talked about.

What's there talk about ?

It's painfully obvious to anyone who engages you that you're not dealing with a full deck. But that's ok. We all have our issues. Yours is that you have very low reading comprehension... that you seem to be stuck on one gear regarding racism... and that you probably had a traumatic, life-altering experience as a child (not long ago) which scarred you forever.

Says the person whose last two topics he created were about racism but I'm stuck on racism ok.

That's your opinion. Fair point.

That's not an opinion that's a fact.

Black Americans need Reparations in the form of CASH PAYMENTS. Foundational Black Americans are owed cash payments. The federal government made MONEY from free Black labor.

However, if you think this is, in any way, going to improve racial relations in the U.S., you're sadly mistaken. I realize this don't mean shit to you.... but it does to intelligent people that actually live in the U.S.

OK. The floor is yours. What should be done to change systematic white supremacy / racism ?

Go on give me a good laugh

How resentful did I claim they are? Answer the question. You said "as resentful as you claim". That presumes a magnitude of resentfulness that I did not speak of. So HOW resentful did I claim they are? Either make sense with your words, or STFU.

resentful blacks

Your words. You claimed that, in fact, stated that black ppl are resentful.

Stop using the words "I suspect". One time it's "ALL white people are racists" and the next time it's "I suspect all white people are racists." You can't have it both ways. To use your words... make up your goddamn mind.

Yeah I suspect that all whites are white supremacist.

Why ?

Because I can't prove it.

So I suspect them all

Your assertions that "ALL white people this....... ALL white people that....." are childish, exaggerated, ludicrous, and obliterate any speck of credibility you might be able to build with people you address.

I've noticed this is a very common thing that white people do when I make comments about their group.

I get it.

You’ve been taught to think of blacks in monolithic terms and that you being white doesn't have much of anything to do with who and what you are. You think it’s just something coincidental about yourself, like having red hair or hazel eyes or a birthmark. You don’t see that being in that racial group has a lot to do with your life chances, psychology, emotions, reactions to others.

And so when I come into Saddo and say that you being white has 100% relevance in your life and thinking and behavior, you’re not used to thinking about yourself that way, and so you reject observations about “white people.” “Hey, I’M not like that!” “I’m a good person! Okay, I’m white, but just because I’m white doesn’t mean I do any of the bad things you’re claiming white people do. Look at me, I’m white, and I don’t do that!” And so on and all that stupid shit.

You're doing blacks a disservice by being the racist, deluded nutcase you are

Name calling again. Eh ?

We are getting desperate. But I suppose you know if you don't name call you will eventually run out of knowledge. But if you resort to mudslinging, it's become a problem of character, not smarts.

So it turns any discussion into a petty competition, just like it does in school-yards and it quickly deteriorates into a 'pushing and shoving' contest. If you're discussing something and you think you're opinion is superior for whatever reason, then show it, you lose the moral high ground when you return to an immature attitude that you should have grown out of a long time ago.

You believe you can vanquish someone by using forceful words but arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who made them and why. But I suppose directly quoting something an argument stands or falls on and showing why it is wrong, going after the facts and reasons that the main argument depends on, takes the most work for you. Right ?

because racism IS a real problem, and one that needs to be addressed.

It's been discussed for the past 400 years. There are tons of books on racism, tons of songs written on racism, tons of debates about racism, tons of films made about racism, tons of blogs about racism, tons of speakers who talk about racism, tons of demo's about racism, tons of black people who have been killed for standing up to racism.

What are you talking about ?

The talking stops now it's time for action and that starts with cash payments that black people are owed.

But addressed between intelligent whites and blacks. Not by deluded loons like yourself.

I'm not deluded. I just disagree with you.

Remember - I never personally insult people on Saddo.

Masculine men like me always stay in control. You got too much female over emotional energy

A huge part of the “anger” that you and other white racists feel towards black people and their “attitude” is that black people aren’t 100% “under their thumb" anymore.

They liked black people when they had to serve white people. They liked it when it was still correct to call black people any degrading name in the book. They liked black people when black people couldn’t do anything about how we were treated. They like black people who prove their inferiority by being poor and living in ghettos.

Any black person being like me who is happy, proud, or better off really burns you because black people should hate themselves and exist purely to reaffirm your racist ego.

But you still want a discussion ?

Well first off - You're going to have to humble yourself. White people have a lot to answer for, and racism won’t go away as long as white ppl are too afraid to just sit down, be honest, and look at why it’s still a problem and actually help find a solution.

As I've said in the past being nice to a black waitress doesn't you a medal.

I mean genuinely sitting down, looking at themselves and realizing that there’s a whole world out there beyond themselves and their culture, and they don’t have the right to pretend the entire universe was reserved for only them.

Humility.

As long as you just view the situation as a case of “Hateful black people” "Mad black people" "Crazy black people" "Loony black people" instead of viewing things from a perspective that doesn’t favor the privilege you (deep in side) are too scared to lose, you won’t have that “Kumbaya” they keep asking for.

But look : You can run a long and have that discussion with conservative black people who they put on CNN knowing that they're just putting a black face on white opinion and power and they'll start talking about black single motherhood and crime and black IQ. You know ? All them white supremacists talking points that you'd prefer the conversation to go in

[TitoFan]

You’ve been taught to think of blacks in monolithic terms

WHA?? Wow! If you don't see the incredible irony in what you just uttered, you're beyond help (but we already knew that).

Masculine men like me always stay in control.

WHA?? Oh c'mon..... stop it! Just stop it! You're killing me here. I should probably stop goading you. This is bordering on child abuse.

But you still want a discussion ?

No. Denilson. I don't. Want. A discussion.

You see, discussions are between mature adults. You are neither mature and are barely an intelligible adult.

Your defense is that you don't do "name-calling"? It's weak. You use it to cover up your penchant for, let's see......

1. Talking about places and peoples you've never been and you'll never know. First sign of arrogant ignorance.

2. Saying stupid shit like "ALL white people are racists." When you've talked to EVERY single fucking person on Earth, you're then qualified to make that statement. Till then, STFU.

3. "Foot in mouth" disease. (See the first quote above).


I argue with Lyle about guns. I argue with Beanz about transgenders. But I will never argue with you about race because you are a mental midget. A child.

Get back to me when you've reached emotional puberty.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

No. Denilson. I don't. Want. A discussion.

Well go on discuss away. I'm not stopping you

@TitoFan "Well actually no. I'm not discussing because your too stupid to discuss"

There is seven levels of disagreement



You operate at Level 0

I operate at level 6

You need to step your game up.

One of the main tactics white supremacists use and in fact many ppl use is to turn the tables by getting the black person angry. Once he is then you can say that it is pointless to continue.

You “win” and never had to address the substance of his argument!

The way white supremacist try to do this is to never take what they say seriously. Belittle it. Demand facts and figures, studies and surveys that back up what they say. You need evidence! You need proof! If their English is bad, jump on that. If their English is too good then they probably have a good education, so what are they complaining about?

You see, discussions are between mature adults. You are neither mature and are barely an intelligible adult.

Once again. Name calling. Does not reply to anything I said

Your defense is that you don't do "name-calling"? It's weak. You use it to cover up your penchant for, let's see

Once again. Name calling.

If whites are interested in helping with the cause of racism, they you must learn that it’s not easy. Discussions on racism will include harsh truths and extreme emotions.

So if whites want blacks to stop having so much disdain towards them for UNDERSTANDABLE reasons, then whites have to stop having disdain towards blacks for ILLOGICAL reasons.

1. Talking about places and peoples you've never been and you'll never know. First sign of arrogant ignorance.

OK. So name me a majority white country where there is no racial problem ?

2. Saying stupid shit like "ALL white people are racists." When you've talked to EVERY single fucking person on Earth, you're then qualified to make that statement. Till then, STFU.

I don't have to talk to every single white person on earth. Every white person that I know insists they don't have a racist bone in their body. The denial of racism is essential to it's maintenance.

All white people raised in a society where racism has been (and still is) so prevalent, will have internalized elements of racist thinking: certain beliefs, stereotypes, assumptions, and judgments about others and themselves. So in countries where beliefs in European/white superiority and domination have been historically placed, then everyone in such places will have soaked up some of that conditioning.

I argue with Lyle about guns. I argue with Beanz about transgenders.

You can't connect the dots. Can you ? The gun is a racial issue. The transgender issue is racial

But I will never argue with you about race because you are a mental midget. A child.
Get back to me when you've reached emotional puberty.

It was turning into a "last person talking" contest anyway

To me. You know what you are ? You're an amateur gunslinger.

All you do is just aimlessly point & shoot and hope for the best. But whenever you try shooting that sh!t at me - I go for the heavy snark because in a full-on blast, the guy (or girl) with the bigger gun is more likely to leave a smoking bullet-ridden avatar on the ground.

And besides, at that point I know the convo is over, so might as well have some fun.

[TitoFan]

I have no racial hangups.

What's a racial hangup ?

You’ve been taught to think of blacks in monolithic terms

Masculine men like me always stay in control.

Man..... these are some true nuggets. Please keep them coming. You are entertaining as long as you understand your place here.