Lucian Bute

[Nameless]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

IF Zuniga, Andrade (I remind you he did knock him down flush before the precise missile he did receive to the liver) or tough guy like the egyptian magician didn't make the limit, do you really expect Miranda to give any kind of challenge? You're serious Amat here? Miranda won't pass 7 rounds and I can bet what you want that it's gonna be a terrible battering.

[amat]

Did you read my post

I gave all the reasons why I don't think it is going to end early, and I definitely find Miranda to be a better fighter and more durable then everyone save Andrade and that was a shock, the same guy went 12 and took every punch he had cleanly. I just think it will be a decision win for Bute or a late stoppage if anything, that's all. I believe it took 7 full rounds for Pavlik to break him down and no way Bute is going to fight that type of fight.

[Nameless]

Did you read my post

I gave all the reasons why I don't think it is going to end early, and I definitely find Miranda to be a better fighter and more durable then everyone save Andrade and that was a shock, the same guy went 12 and took every punch he had cleanly. I just think it will be a decision win for Bute or a late stoppage if anything, that's all. I believe it took 7 full rounds for Pavlik to break him down and no way Bute is going to fight that type of fight.

Yes I did read it,

The thing is: Bute packs more or less the same kind of power as Pavlik (at least, in the same range). The only difference is that Bute is faster and will land clean more punches than what Pavlik did. Based on that, I doubt Miranda will survive more than 7 rounds. Anyway, the answer in more or less 48 hours

[amat]

We'll see but I think you're using generalizations as reasons here. Bute is a boxer-first while Pavlik was a pure pressure guy. Look at Cotto-Margarito then Margarito-Cotto. Cotto probably landed just as many punches as Mosley but the difference was that Mosley didn't give Margarito the chance to come forward. If Bute chooses to do the smart thing, fight a range fight and outbox Miranda then I just don't see the early knockout coming by way of anything but the one special shot. Pavlik came out and blasted with Miranda, Ward came in and got in his kitchen and bullied him and he only got a decision out of it, Bute won't be fighting as aggressively as either of those guys imo because that's just not his style of fighting.

[Fenster]

I hope Miranda pull this off.

Froch says that Bute was offered to fight him but declined and that Bute just wants easy title defences.

If that's true, I'd love to know the context surrounding it. I'm not a huge Bute fan by any means, but he would crush Froch and he knows it.

Bute wanted the fight...Froch wanted the fight...Bute agreed to fight in England....This was IF Bute Andrade 2 fell through...Neither of the big networks (Sho/Hbo) wanted Bute Andrade 2....

Froch and his people then became arrogant putting stiulations on the fight on top of the agreement to fight in England...So talks of setting a date were scrapped.(That was Butes idea by the way)...

Bute/Andrade ended up signing and getting network support....Bute still wanted Froch and after the Taylor fight was hoping it would materialize but the Super 6 ended up spoiling everyones plans

How do you know that?

Don't you think it's far more likely Froch-Bute would have been in Canada?

1. Bute sells 15,000 tickets to Froch's 5,000 in England.

2. Bute hasn't left Montreal for 50 years. Froch has proved he's willing to defend his title in the other guys backyard - Taylor, Kessler.

3. Bute had Showtime and now HBO screening his fights. Froch isn't even on mainstream TV in the UK.

[Rantcatrat]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

Amat,

Bute choosing Miranda was a bit of a letdown to me because he fits the mold of many of Bute's past opponents and no better than most of them. Big punchers lacking a lot of boxing skills (e.g. Berrio, Zuniga, Andrade, Bika, Salem). Bute is an "A" level fighter and I want to see him tested against other "A" level fighters. Don't get me wrong Andrade and Bika are legitimate wins, but I wouldn't place them in elite status. I understand most of his division is locked up in the Super Six and maybe this was the best fight he could make.

That said, I guess you don't think of this as a walk in the park for Bute. Fair enough. I can just see Bute haters, after he wins this fight, using it as an example of Bute not facing good competition. Well, at least you won't be one of them .

What happens if Martinez beats Pavlik this weekend (as many of the British posters predict) and/or Bhop retires? It's far from a remote possibility. Then who does Bute fight?

Just so you know, you said the shot that knocked out Andrade "came out of nowhere." I beg to differ. Bute's accuracy and shot placement isn't a fluke: he's beat 7 of his 25 opponents by perfectly placed body shots (apologizing in advance for self promoting but check an old posting on my blog for video of them). Clearly, at least one thing he's doing correctly is placing his punches to the body.

[amat]

I'm definitely not a Bute hater, just a realist. I'm actually of the opinion that he's the 2nd best SMW in the world and I actually like the fact that he's not in the Super 6. I think he beats Miranda easy but I just don't think he is going to KO him early, that's all. And he was already 10 feet away from Andrade by the time Andrade fell Everyone thought that fight was going 12, it was a spectacular KO but I don't think that means he is automatically going to get everyone out of there in less then 5 rounds.

Also, Miranda shouldn't be knocked as an opponent. He is what he is and in my opinion he's the best guy in the division that Bute hasn't already faced.

Also, I think Miranda is more capable then Berrio, Zuniga, Andrade, Bika and Salem. I may be in the minority there but he's only lost to A+ guys and he's the only guy from that list who's actually beat a Super 6 (or Super 7) guy.

[DaxxKahn]

If that's true, I'd love to know the context surrounding it. I'm not a huge Bute fan by any means, but he would crush Froch and he knows it.

Bute wanted the fight...Froch wanted the fight...Bute agreed to fight in England....This was IF Bute Andrade 2 fell through...Neither of the big networks (Sho/Hbo) wanted Bute Andrade 2....

Froch and his people then became arrogant putting stiulations on the fight on top of the agreement to fight in England...So talks of setting a date were scrapped.(That was Butes idea by the way)...

Bute/Andrade ended up signing and getting network support....Bute still wanted Froch and after the Taylor fight was hoping it would materialize but the Super 6 ended up spoiling everyones plans

How do you know that?

Don't you think it's far more likely Froch-Bute would have been in Canada?

1. Bute sells 15,000 tickets to Froch's 5,000 in England.

2. Bute hasn't left Montreal for 50 years. Froch has proved he's willing to defend his title in the other guys backyard - Taylor, Kessler.

3. Bute had Showtime and now HBO screening his fights. Froch isn't even on mainstream TV in the UK.

Take a wild guess on how I know?

Hint...One guy promotes Taylor the other part of Bute's team

Froch has had 2 fights outside of the UK....You act as if Froch fighting in the states against Taylor makes him sound like a champion willing to travel.....He has defended the belt twice...Once in the super 6 and they took Taylor because they wanted a fight with a marketable name that they felt Froch would walk over (Though until Taylor gassed Froch was having it handed to him)........I PROMISE you it had to do with Froch and Dick Hennessy looking to make him mainstream not Froch and his "Willing" to travel

Same night I was trying to be convinced that Carl Froch was a 12 rd fighter and he was not at his best until he reached the 9th or 10th round....Yet he had only been 12 2 times prior in his career..

BTW I know that because the words came straight to me from Froch's mouth...

I don't know about mainstream TV in the UK so I can't say if he is or isn't but for all the talk of him over the last few years in a dead SMW division and articles I read abt him even before Pascal I would have guessed different...BUT that then enforces the part of Froch and his people trying to use Taylor as a jump off to make him Mainstream

[Fenster]

Bute wanted the fight...Froch wanted the fight...Bute agreed to fight in England....This was IF Bute Andrade 2 fell through...Neither of the big networks (Sho/Hbo) wanted Bute Andrade 2....

Froch and his people then became arrogant putting stiulations on the fight on top of the agreement to fight in England...So talks of setting a date were scrapped.(That was Butes idea by the way)...

Bute/Andrade ended up signing and getting network support....Bute still wanted Froch and after the Taylor fight was hoping it would materialize but the Super 6 ended up spoiling everyones plans

How do you know that?

Don't you think it's far more likely Froch-Bute would have been in Canada?

1. Bute sells 15,000 tickets to Froch's 5,000 in England.

2. Bute hasn't left Montreal for 50 years. Froch has proved he's willing to defend his title in the other guys backyard - Taylor, Kessler.

3. Bute had Showtime and now HBO screening his fights. Froch isn't even on mainstream TV in the UK.

Take a wild guess on how I know?

Hint...One guy promotes Taylor the other part of Bute's team

Froch has had 2 fights outside of the UK....You act as if Froch fighting in the states against Taylor makes him sound like a champion willing to travel.....He has defended the belt twice...Once in the super 6 and they took Taylor because they wanted a fight with a marketable name that they felt Froch would walk over (Though until Taylor gassed Froch was having it handed to him)........I PROMISE you it had to do with Froch and Dick Hennessy looking to make him mainstream not Froch and his "Willing" to travel

Same night I was trying to be convinced that Carl Froch was a 12 rd fighter and he was not at his best until he reached the 9th or 10th round....Yet he had only been 12 2 times prior in his career..

BTW I know that because the words came straight to me from Froch's mouth...

I don't know about mainstream TV in the UK so I can't say if he is or isn't but for all the talk of him over the last few years in a dead SMW division and articles I read abt him even before Pascal I would have guessed different...BUT that then enforces the part of Froch and his people trying to use Taylor as a jump off to make him Mainstream

That doesn't make sense. You're saying Froch travelling doesn't prove he's willing to travel. Seriously, what the fuck?

Taylor was Froch's mandatory (when does the champion travel to the challenger?), the betting favourite and most "experts" picked him to win. So don't try and pass it off as some caluculated non-risk.

Of course fighting a former P4P undisputed middleweight champion will get you mainstream attention. How is that a negative? Unfortunately for Froch it didn't do much in the UK.

He could have eaisly done what Bute has - defend his belt against a bunch of c/b-level guys.

(Back to the point)

Bute's promoter told you about the England thing and then the arrogance and stipulations. Well he would say that. I'm sure Mick Hennessy has a different story.

From a neutrals perspective it's far harder to believe Bute was the willing traveller

[DaxxKahn]

How do you know that?

Don't you think it's far more likely Froch-Bute would have been in Canada?

1. Bute sells 15,000 tickets to Froch's 5,000 in England.

2. Bute hasn't left Montreal for 50 years. Froch has proved he's willing to defend his title in the other guys backyard - Taylor, Kessler.

3. Bute had Showtime and now HBO screening his fights. Froch isn't even on mainstream TV in the UK.

Take a wild guess on how I know?

Hint...One guy promotes Taylor the other part of Bute's team

Froch has had 2 fights outside of the UK....You act as if Froch fighting in the states against Taylor makes him sound like a champion willing to travel.....He has defended the belt twice...Once in the super 6 and they took Taylor because they wanted a fight with a marketable name that they felt Froch would walk over (Though until Taylor gassed Froch was having it handed to him)........I PROMISE you it had to do with Froch and Dick Hennessy looking to make him mainstream not Froch and his "Willing" to travel

Same night I was trying to be convinced that Carl Froch was a 12 rd fighter and he was not at his best until he reached the 9th or 10th round....Yet he had only been 12 2 times prior in his career..

BTW I know that because the words came straight to me from Froch's mouth...

I don't know about mainstream TV in the UK so I can't say if he is or isn't but for all the talk of him over the last few years in a dead SMW division and articles I read abt him even before Pascal I would have guessed different...BUT that then enforces the part of Froch and his people trying to use Taylor as a jump off to make him Mainstream

That doesn't make sense. You're saying Froch travelling doesn't prove he's willing to travel. Seriously, what the fuck?

Taylor was Froch's mandatory (when does the champion travel to the challenger?), the betting favourite and most "experts" picked him to win. So don't try and pass it off as some caluculated non-risk.

Of course fighting a former P4P undisputed middleweight champion will get you mainstream attention. How is that a negative? Unfortunately for Froch it didn't do much in the UK.

He could have eaisly done what Bute has - defend his belt against a bunch of c/b-level guys.

(Back to the point)

Bute's promoter told you about the England thing and then the arrogance and stipulations. Well he would say that. I'm sure Mick Hennessy has a different story.

From a neutrals perspective it's far harder to believe Bute was the willing traveller

I don't know if sometimes you are just ignorant or you just don't fucking pay attention to what you read...

Froch COULD HAVE MADE TAYLOR FIGHT HIM IN THE UK.....THEY DID NOT LOOK AT TAYLOR AS A BIG RISK SO THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GREAT FIGHT TO MAKE HIS USA DEBUT WITH!!!!..

AGAIN THEY WERE USING THE FIGHT AS THE PERFECT TIME TO GET A BIGGER BROADCASTING AUDIENCE FOR FROCH.....

I PROMISE YOU THAT IF THE FIGHT WAS AGAINST A GUY THEY WERE NOT SURE ABOUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAME HERE FOR THE FIGHT......

FROCH AND HIS PEOPLE WERE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE OF THE KNOCKDOWN....

IF YOU KNEW HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE PROMOTERS THEMSELVES AND HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE GOINGS ON BEHIND THE SCENES AS U THINK U DO BECAUSE OF WHAT U READ IN THE MEDIA U MIGHT NOT MAKE STUPID POST LIKE...

At no time did they think Froch was not going to beat Taylor....They counted on Taylor gassing, they counted on Taylor crumbling like he did in the Pavlik fight...They counted on the fact Taylor was abused in the 2 Pavlik fights, they counted on the fact before Pavlik he struggkled with 2 small LMW fighters and the fact he looked horrible against Lacy....They never expected Taylor to carry enough power to even knockdown Froch...Things did not go their way that is why they tried to pass off the whole...

"If you look at Carl Froch you know he is a 12 rd fighter who does his best work after the 9th".....Yet had only gone the distance 2 times prior....and has a KO% of over 75 at nthe time of the fight....They were trying to convince themselves more then anyone.....

That came from Mick Hennessy himself...But YOU would know that because you were at the press conference when me and 6 other writers 2 from the UK walked out...That was you somewhere in there no?....Were you the fat ass falling asleep in his coffee? OR were you the guy who could not get his camera to work?.....Because Mick came in first after Taylor and his people walked out started to speak then almost the whole room left but 7 writers some fat guy and a guy who could not get his camera to work....Y because of the SHIT Mick was trying to spout about Froch and his win over Taylor showing he is the best fighters from MW to CW and should be ranked #1 SMW and on the P4P list........Along with his future great bullshit.....BUT u knew all this yes?.......

You know the embarrassment they suffered by standing there with only his promoter trainer and family members he came to the US with long before the presser was done?....

Mainly because of the SHIT the high quality always honest Mick Hennessy was spouting....Making Don King and Frank Warren look like poster boys for truth and honesty.....

But please tell me more about Mick telling it how it is and more of Froch being the standout I will travel with my title because I am a CHAMPION stories of yours.....

[ICB]

Take a wild guess on how I know?

Hint...One guy promotes Taylor the other part of Bute's team

Froch has had 2 fights outside of the UK....You act as if Froch fighting in the states against Taylor makes him sound like a champion willing to travel.....He has defended the belt twice...Once in the super 6 and they took Taylor because they wanted a fight with a marketable name that they felt Froch would walk over (Though until Taylor gassed Froch was having it handed to him)........I PROMISE you it had to do with Froch and Dick Hennessy looking to make him mainstream not Froch and his "Willing" to travel

Same night I was trying to be convinced that Carl Froch was a 12 rd fighter and he was not at his best until he reached the 9th or 10th round....Yet he had only been 12 2 times prior in his career..

BTW I know that because the words came straight to me from Froch's mouth...

I don't know about mainstream TV in the UK so I can't say if he is or isn't but for all the talk of him over the last few years in a dead SMW division and articles I read abt him even before Pascal I would have guessed different...BUT that then enforces the part of Froch and his people trying to use Taylor as a jump off to make him Mainstream

That doesn't make sense. You're saying Froch travelling doesn't prove he's willing to travel. Seriously, what the fuck?

Taylor was Froch's mandatory (when does the champion travel to the challenger?), the betting favourite and most "experts" picked him to win. So don't try and pass it off as some caluculated non-risk.

Of course fighting a former P4P undisputed middleweight champion will get you mainstream attention. How is that a negative? Unfortunately for Froch it didn't do much in the UK.

He could have eaisly done what Bute has - defend his belt against a bunch of c/b-level guys.

(Back to the point)

Bute's promoter told you about the England thing and then the arrogance and stipulations. Well he would say that. I'm sure Mick Hennessy has a different story.

From a neutrals perspective it's far harder to believe Bute was the willing traveller

I don't know if sometimes you are just ignorant or you just don't fucking pay attention to what you read...

Froch COULD HAVE MADE TAYLOR FIGHT HIM IN THE UK.....THEY DID NOT LOOK AT TAYLOR AS A BIG RISK SO THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GREAT FIGHT TO MAKE HIS USA DEBUT WITH!!!!..

AGAIN THEY WERE USING THE FIGHT AS THE PERFECT TIME TO GET A BIGGER BROADCASTING AUDIENCE FOR FROCH.....

I PROMISE YOU THAT IF THE FIGHT WAS AGAINST A GUY THEY WERE NOT SURE ABOUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAME HERE FOR THE FIGHT......

FROCH AND HIS PEOPLE WERE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE OF THE KNOCKDOWN....

IF YOU KNEW HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE PROMOTERS THEMSELVES AND HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE GOINGS ON BEHIND THE SCENES AS U THINK U DO BECAUSE OF WHAT U READ IN THE MEDIA U MIGHT NOT MAKE STUPID POST LIKE...

At no time did they think Froch was not going to beat Taylor....They counted on Taylor gassing, they counted on Taylor crumbling like he did in the Pavlik fight...They counted on the fact Taylor was abused in the 2 Pavlik fights, they counted on the fact before Pavlik he struggkled with 2 small LMW fighters and the fact he looked horrible against Lacy....They never expected Taylor to carry enough power to even knockdown Froch...Things did not go their way that is why they tried to pass off the whole...

"If you look at Carl Froch you know he is a 12 rd fighter who does his best work after the 9th".....Yet had only gone the distance 2 times prior....and has a KO% of over 75 at nthe time of the fight....They were trying to convince themselves more then anyone.....

That came from Mick Hennessy himself...But YOU would know that because you were at the press conference when me and 6 other writers 2 from the UK walked out...That was you somewhere in there no?....Were you the fat ass falling asleep in his coffee? OR were you the guy who could not get his camera to work?.....Because Mick came in first after Taylor and his people walked out started to speak then almost the whole room left but 7 writers some fat guy and a guy who could not get his camera to work....Y because of the SHIT Mick was trying to spout about Froch and his win over Taylor showing he is the best fighters from MW to CW and should be ranked #1 SMW and on the P4P list........Along with his future great bullshit.....BUT u knew all this yes?.......

You know the embarrassment they suffered by standing there with only his promoter trainer and family members he came to the US with long before the presser was done?....

Mainly because of the SHIT the high quality always honest Mick Hennessy was spouting....Making Don King and Frank Warren look like poster boys for truth and honesty.....

But please tell me more about Mick telling it how it is and more of Froch being the standout I will travel with my title because I am a CHAMPION stories of yours.....

Not that im defending Carl Froch because i hate his style, but plenty of people picked Jermain Taylor to beat Carl Froch including me. I think he looked fine vs Jeff Lacy, he won every round and dominated Jeff Lacy.

As for being abused by Kelly Pavlik in 2 fights, well the 1st fight was a war. With both men hurt and the fight was dead even until Kelly Pavlik caught up to him in the 7th round.

As for the rematch quite alot of people thought Jermain Taylor won the rematch. Not me personally but it was very close, i would hardly called that being abused.

Yes they were tough fights and they did take something out of Jermain Taylor, but that still didn't lead anyone to believe, Carl Froch would beat Jermain Taylor. Who was largely unproven other than a tough win in a war against Jean Pascal, who wasn't highly regarded at that time.

I personally don't think Carl Froch, would avoid any fighter. I agree his style sucks and his attitude stinks. But he gets the job done and his opposition in his last few fights Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal. Has been pretty solid IMO.

I also don't think Lucian Bute would avoid anyone either, he took the Librado Andrade rematch and manned up and won without any question marks, he also has some good underrated wins if you dig deeper into his record.

I just think it was bad timing for both fighters, but i have no doubt they will meet in the future. And no doubt my money will be on my boy Lucian Bute.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

That doesn't make sense. You're saying Froch travelling doesn't prove he's willing to travel. Seriously, what the fuck?

Taylor was Froch's mandatory (when does the champion travel to the challenger?), the betting favourite and most "experts" picked him to win. So don't try and pass it off as some caluculated non-risk.

Of course fighting a former P4P undisputed middleweight champion will get you mainstream attention. How is that a negative? Unfortunately for Froch it didn't do much in the UK.

He could have eaisly done what Bute has - defend his belt against a bunch of c/b-level guys.

(Back to the point)

Bute's promoter told you about the England thing and then the arrogance and stipulations. Well he would say that. I'm sure Mick Hennessy has a different story.

From a neutrals perspective it's far harder to believe Bute was the willing traveller

I don't know if sometimes you are just ignorant or you just don't fucking pay attention to what you read...

Froch COULD HAVE MADE TAYLOR FIGHT HIM IN THE UK.....THEY DID NOT LOOK AT TAYLOR AS A BIG RISK SO THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GREAT FIGHT TO MAKE HIS USA DEBUT WITH!!!!..

AGAIN THEY WERE USING THE FIGHT AS THE PERFECT TIME TO GET A BIGGER BROADCASTING AUDIENCE FOR FROCH.....

I PROMISE YOU THAT IF THE FIGHT WAS AGAINST A GUY THEY WERE NOT SURE ABOUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAME HERE FOR THE FIGHT......

FROCH AND HIS PEOPLE WERE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE OF THE KNOCKDOWN....

IF YOU KNEW HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE PROMOTERS THEMSELVES AND HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE GOINGS ON BEHIND THE SCENES AS U THINK U DO BECAUSE OF WHAT U READ IN THE MEDIA U MIGHT NOT MAKE STUPID POST LIKE...

At no time did they think Froch was not going to beat Taylor....They counted on Taylor gassing, they counted on Taylor crumbling like he did in the Pavlik fight...They counted on the fact Taylor was abused in the 2 Pavlik fights, they counted on the fact before Pavlik he struggkled with 2 small LMW fighters and the fact he looked horrible against Lacy....They never expected Taylor to carry enough power to even knockdown Froch...Things did not go their way that is why they tried to pass off the whole...

"If you look at Carl Froch you know he is a 12 rd fighter who does his best work after the 9th".....Yet had only gone the distance 2 times prior....and has a KO% of over 75 at nthe time of the fight....They were trying to convince themselves more then anyone.....

That came from Mick Hennessy himself...But YOU would know that because you were at the press conference when me and 6 other writers 2 from the UK walked out...That was you somewhere in there no?....Were you the fat ass falling asleep in his coffee? OR were you the guy who could not get his camera to work?.....Because Mick came in first after Taylor and his people walked out started to speak then almost the whole room left but 7 writers some fat guy and a guy who could not get his camera to work....Y because of the SHIT Mick was trying to spout about Froch and his win over Taylor showing he is the best fighters from MW to CW and should be ranked #1 SMW and on the P4P list........Along with his future great bullshit.....BUT u knew all this yes?.......

You know the embarrassment they suffered by standing there with only his promoter trainer and family members he came to the US with long before the presser was done?....

Mainly because of the SHIT the high quality always honest Mick Hennessy was spouting....Making Don King and Frank Warren look like poster boys for truth and honesty.....

But please tell me more about Mick telling it how it is and more of Froch being the standout I will travel with my title because I am a CHAMPION stories of yours.....

Not that im defending Carl Froch because i hate his style, but plenty of people picked Jermain Taylor to beat Carl Froch including me. I think he looked fine vs Jeff Lacy, he won every round and dominated Jeff Lacy.

As for being abused by Kelly Pavlik in 2 fights, well the 1st fight was a war. With both men hurt and the fight was dead even until Kelly Pavlik caught up to him in the 7th round.

As for the rematch quite alot of people thought Jermain Taylor won the rematch. Not me personally but it was very close, i would hardly called that being abused.

Yes they were tough fights and they did take something out of Jermain Taylor, but that still didn't lead anyone to believe, Carl Froch would beat Jermain Taylor. Who was largely unproven other than a tough win in a war against Jean Pascal, who wasn't highly regarded at that time.

I personally don't think Carl Froch, would avoid any fighter. I agree his style sucks and his attitude stinks. But he gets the job done and his opposition in his last few fights Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal. Has been pretty solid IMO.

I also don't think Lucian Bute would avoid anyone either, he took the Librado Andrade rematch and manned up and won without any question marks, he also has some good underrated wins if you dig deeper into his record.

I just think it was bad timing for both fighters, but i have no doubt they will meet in the future. And no doubt my money will be on my boy Lucian Bute.

I could not agree more with this post.

[CFH]

That doesn't make sense. You're saying Froch travelling doesn't prove he's willing to travel. Seriously, what the fuck?

Taylor was Froch's mandatory (when does the champion travel to the challenger?), the betting favourite and most "experts" picked him to win. So don't try and pass it off as some caluculated non-risk.

Of course fighting a former P4P undisputed middleweight champion will get you mainstream attention. How is that a negative? Unfortunately for Froch it didn't do much in the UK.

He could have eaisly done what Bute has - defend his belt against a bunch of c/b-level guys.

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Bute's promoter told you about the England thing and then the arrogance and stipulations. Well he would say that. I'm sure Mick Hennessy has a different story.

From a neutrals perspective it's far harder to believe Bute was the willing traveller

I don't know if sometimes you are just ignorant or you just don't fucking pay attention to what you read...

Froch COULD HAVE MADE TAYLOR FIGHT HIM IN THE UK.....THEY DID NOT LOOK AT TAYLOR AS A BIG RISK SO THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GREAT FIGHT TO MAKE HIS USA DEBUT WITH!!!!..

AGAIN THEY WERE USING THE FIGHT AS THE PERFECT TIME TO GET A BIGGER BROADCASTING AUDIENCE FOR FROCH.....

I PROMISE YOU THAT IF THE FIGHT WAS AGAINST A GUY THEY WERE NOT SURE ABOUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAME HERE FOR THE FIGHT......

FROCH AND HIS PEOPLE WERE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE OF THE KNOCKDOWN....

IF YOU KNEW HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE PROMOTERS THEMSELVES AND HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE GOINGS ON BEHIND THE SCENES AS U THINK U DO BECAUSE OF WHAT U READ IN THE MEDIA U MIGHT NOT MAKE STUPID POST LIKE...

At no time did they think Froch was not going to beat Taylor....They counted on Taylor gassing, they counted on Taylor crumbling like he did in the Pavlik fight...They counted on the fact Taylor was abused in the 2 Pavlik fights, they counted on the fact before Pavlik he struggkled with 2 small LMW fighters and the fact he looked horrible against Lacy....They never expected Taylor to carry enough power to even knockdown Froch...Things did not go their way that is why they tried to pass off the whole...

"If you look at Carl Froch you know he is a 12 rd fighter who does his best work after the 9th".....Yet had only gone the distance 2 times prior....and has a KO% of over 75 at nthe time of the fight....They were trying to convince themselves more then anyone.....

That came from Mick Hennessy himself...But YOU would know that because you were at the press conference when me and 6 other writers 2 from the UK walked out...That was you somewhere in there no?....Were you the fat ass falling asleep in his coffee? OR were you the guy who could not get his camera to work?.....Because Mick came in first after Taylor and his people walked out started to speak then almost the whole room left but 7 writers some fat guy and a guy who could not get his camera to work....Y because of the SHIT Mick was trying to spout about Froch and his win over Taylor showing he is the best fighters from MW to CW and should be ranked #1 SMW and on the P4P list........Along with his future great bullshit.....BUT u knew all this yes?.......

You know the embarrassment they suffered by standing there with only his promoter trainer and family members he came to the US with long before the presser was done?....

Mainly because of the SHIT the high quality always honest Mick Hennessy was spouting....Making Don King and Frank Warren look like poster boys for truth and honesty.....

But please tell me more about Mick telling it how it is and more of Froch being the standout I will travel with my title because I am a CHAMPION stories of yours.....

Not that im defending Carl Froch because i hate his style, but plenty of people picked Jermain Taylor to beat Carl Froch including me. I think he looked fine vs Jeff Lacy, he won every round and dominated Jeff Lacy.

As for being abused by Kelly Pavlik in 2 fights, well the 1st fight was a war. With both men hurt and the fight was dead even until Kelly Pavlik caught up to him in the 7th round.

As for the rematch quite alot of people thought Jermain Taylor won the rematch. Not me personally but it was very close, i would hardly called that being abused.

Yes they were tough fights and they did take something out of Jermain Taylor, but that still didn't lead anyone to believe, Carl Froch would beat Jermain Taylor. Who was largely unproven other than a tough win in a war against Jean Pascal, who wasn't highly regarded at that time.

I personally don't think Carl Froch, would avoid any fighter. I agree his style sucks and his attitude stinks. But he gets the job done and his opposition in his last few fights Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal. Has been pretty solid IMO.

I also don't think Lucian Bute would avoid anyone either, he took the Librado Andrade rematch and manned up and won without any question marks, he also has some good underrated wins if you dig deeper into his record.

I just think it was bad timing for both fighters, but i have no doubt they will meet in the future. And no doubt my money will be on my boy Lucian Bute.

I think when you get right down to it that is correct. Both guys seemed willing to step in the ring with the other and I doubt either one had any intention of ducking the fight. The timing was simply wrong. If Froch wins the Super 6, which actually seems like it might be a distinct possibility depending upon how much Kessler has left, I'm sure they'll fight.

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I don't know if sometimes you are just ignorant or you just don't fucking pay attention to what you read...

Froch COULD HAVE MADE TAYLOR FIGHT HIM IN THE UK.....THEY DID NOT LOOK AT TAYLOR AS A BIG RISK SO THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GREAT FIGHT TO MAKE HIS USA DEBUT WITH!!!!..

AGAIN THEY WERE USING THE FIGHT AS THE PERFECT TIME TO GET A BIGGER BROADCASTING AUDIENCE FOR FROCH.....

I PROMISE YOU THAT IF THE FIGHT WAS AGAINST A GUY THEY WERE NOT SURE ABOUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CAME HERE FOR THE FIGHT......

FROCH AND HIS PEOPLE WERE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE OF THE KNOCKDOWN....

IF YOU KNEW HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE PROMOTERS THEMSELVES AND HALF AS MUCH ABOUT THE GOINGS ON BEHIND THE SCENES AS U THINK U DO BECAUSE OF WHAT U READ IN THE MEDIA U MIGHT NOT MAKE STUPID POST LIKE...

At no time did they think Froch was not going to beat Taylor....They counted on Taylor gassing, they counted on Taylor crumbling like he did in the Pavlik fight...They counted on the fact Taylor was abused in the 2 Pavlik fights, they counted on the fact before Pavlik he struggkled with 2 small LMW fighters and the fact he looked horrible against Lacy....They never expected Taylor to carry enough power to even knockdown Froch...Things did not go their way that is why they tried to pass off the whole...

"If you look at Carl Froch you know he is a 12 rd fighter who does his best work after the 9th".....Yet had only gone the distance 2 times prior....and has a KO% of over 75 at nthe time of the fight....They were trying to convince themselves more then anyone.....

That came from Mick Hennessy himself...But YOU would know that because you were at the press conference when me and 6 other writers 2 from the UK walked out...That was you somewhere in there no?....Were you the fat ass falling asleep in his coffee? OR were you the guy who could not get his camera to work?.....Because Mick came in first after Taylor and his people walked out started to speak then almost the whole room left but 7 writers some fat guy and a guy who could not get his camera to work....Y because of the SHIT Mick was trying to spout about Froch and his win over Taylor showing he is the best fighters from MW to CW and should be ranked #1 SMW and on the P4P list........Along with his future great bullshit.....BUT u knew all this yes?.......

You know the embarrassment they suffered by standing there with only his promoter trainer and family members he came to the US with long before the presser was done?....

Mainly because of the SHIT the high quality always honest Mick Hennessy was spouting....Making Don King and Frank Warren look like poster boys for truth and honesty.....

But please tell me more about Mick telling it how it is and more of Froch being the standout I will travel with my title because I am a CHAMPION stories of yours.....

Not that im defending Carl Froch because i hate his style, but plenty of people picked Jermain Taylor to beat Carl Froch including me. I think he looked fine vs Jeff Lacy, he won every round and dominated Jeff Lacy.

As for being abused by Kelly Pavlik in 2 fights, well the 1st fight was a war. With both men hurt and the fight was dead even until Kelly Pavlik caught up to him in the 7th round.

As for the rematch quite alot of people thought Jermain Taylor won the rematch. Not me personally but it was very close, i would hardly called that being abused.

Yes they were tough fights and they did take something out of Jermain Taylor, but that still didn't lead anyone to believe, Carl Froch would beat Jermain Taylor. Who was largely unproven other than a tough win in a war against Jean Pascal, who wasn't highly regarded at that time.

I personally don't think Carl Froch, would avoid any fighter. I agree his style sucks and his attitude stinks. But he gets the job done and his opposition in his last few fights Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal. Has been pretty solid IMO.

I also don't think Lucian Bute would avoid anyone either, he took the Librado Andrade rematch and manned up and won without any question marks, he also has some good underrated wins if you dig deeper into his record.

I just think it was bad timing for both fighters, but i have no doubt they will meet in the future. And no doubt my money will be on my boy Lucian Bute.

I think when you get right down to it that is correct. Both guys seemed willing to step in the ring with the other and I doubt either one had any intention of ducking the fight. The timing was simply wrong. If Froch wins the Super 6, which actually seems like it might be a distinct possibility depending upon how much Kessler has left, I'm sure they'll fight.

I'm rather shocked with the amount of people that think this is a distinct possibility. Kessler was simply confused at how to fight ward. Ward would smother him on the inside coupled with a bad case of Holyfield head, and owned the outside with superior movement... Kessler did not make valid adjustments which lost him the fight but Froch has none of the Atributes Ward has as far as athletisism and technique...Nor does he throw with the regularity or have the hand speed that Calzaghe had. Kessler, stylistically, should outbox Froch fairly handily using superior technique and defense. Hell, Taylor(who's a good fighter in his own right barring the stamina issues) was beating Froch until he ran out of gas. Kessler is a better fighter than Taylor. We'll see, though. I just don't see Froch beating Ward. Froch can beat Green and Abraham... and he's already "beaten" Dirrell. I think Kessler beats him in this stage of the Super6.

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Not that im defending Carl Froch because i hate his style, but plenty of people picked Jermain Taylor to beat Carl Froch including me. I think he looked fine vs Jeff Lacy, he won every round and dominated Jeff Lacy.

As for being abused by Kelly Pavlik in 2 fights, well the 1st fight was a war. With both men hurt and the fight was dead even until Kelly Pavlik caught up to him in the 7th round.

As for the rematch quite alot of people thought Jermain Taylor won the rematch. Not me personally but it was very close, i would hardly called that being abused.

Yes they were tough fights and they did take something out of Jermain Taylor, but that still didn't lead anyone to believe, Carl Froch would beat Jermain Taylor. Who was largely unproven other than a tough win in a war against Jean Pascal, who wasn't highly regarded at that time.

I personally don't think Carl Froch, would avoid any fighter. I agree his style sucks and his attitude stinks. But he gets the job done and his opposition in his last few fights Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal. Has been pretty solid IMO.

I also don't think Lucian Bute would avoid anyone either, he took the Librado Andrade rematch and manned up and won without any question marks, he also has some good underrated wins if you dig deeper into his record.

I just think it was bad timing for both fighters, but i have no doubt they will meet in the future. And no doubt my money will be on my boy Lucian Bute.

I think when you get right down to it that is correct. Both guys seemed willing to step in the ring with the other and I doubt either one had any intention of ducking the fight. The timing was simply wrong. If Froch wins the Super 6, which actually seems like it might be a distinct possibility depending upon how much Kessler has left, I'm sure they'll fight.

I'm rather shocked with the amount of people that think this is a distinct possibility. Kessler was simply confused at how to fight ward. Ward would smother him on the inside coupled with a bad case of Holyfield head, and owned the outside with superior movement... Kessler did not make valid adjustments which lost him the fight but Froch has none of the Atributes Ward has as far as athletisism and technique...Nor does he throw with the regularity or have the hand speed that Calzaghe had. Kessler, stylistically, should outbox Froch fairly handily using superior technique and defense. Hell, Taylor(who's a good fighter in his own right barring the stamina issues) was beating Froch until he ran out of gas. Kessler is a better fighter than Taylor. We'll see, though. I just don't see Froch beating Ward. Froch can beat Green and Abraham... and he's already "beaten" Dirrell. I think Kessler beats him in this stage of the Super6.

I'm by no means a Froch fan. He has glaring weakeness throughout his game and his arrogance is annoying at best. However, he always seems to find a way to win. I picked Taylor to outbox him and regardless of the reasons, Froch wins. He beat Dirrell when I thought he had very little chance. He almost reminds me of Cotto in the way that he always seems to win when I expect him to lose (I picked Judah and Mosley to both beat him). BTW Cotto fans, that is the only way he reminds me of Cotto, so don't jump up my ass here.

If the same Kessler that fought Joe Calzaghe fights Froch, he doesn't stand a chance. Truthfully, I think even a 60-70% Kessler can beat him comfortably by outboxing him from the outside and I think he will, but Froch has surprised me in the past and if he can get inside on a faded Kessler he can win.

Against Abraham, who I believe Froch fights last, I honestly have it a 50/50 fight. If Abraham spends the first half of the fight wearing his earmuffs, he might be fucked because, if nothing else, Froch can bang. At the same time, Froch is wide open for well-placed counter-punches and Abraham's power is no joke either. That's a very interesting fight for me.

Anyways, the point of this long-assed rambling post is that while I doubt Froch will win the SUper 6, I feel he has an outside chance. If he gets into the playoffs (or whatever they're calling them), anything can happen depending on who he is lined up against.