Lucian Bute

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Plus the headbutts

That's not even close to the reason Kessler lost that fight to Ward, not even close. Also, for what it's worth I thought Miranda won the second round of that fight with Bute, not that it's worth much.

No but it certainly didn't help matters, im not saying it would of made any difference. Its just down to styles IMO, but the heasbutts certainly didn't help, and he let Andre Ward get away with quite a bit.

Not that i've got anything against Andre Ward. He's a good fighter and he did indeed beat Mikkel Kessler in good fashion.

But he's getting a bit overrated IMO, Mikkel Kessler wasted 2 years fighting nobodies and looked out of sorts IMO. So you have to take that into account, and i remember when Andre Ward was getting floored and hurt vs nobodies. Im still not sold on his chin.

I don't personally know how anyone could rate Andre Ward over Lucian Bute, he's got one good win on his record and his only other notable win is over Edison Miranda, who Lucian Bute stopped in 3 rounds.

Lucian Bute overall has the better record, he's just as skilled. He's been very dominant of late, and he has been a world champion since 2007.

It was a good win for Andre Ward and he very well could be the favorite, i've got nothing against him. But as for now he shouldn't be above Lucian Bute.

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I agree that Bute has beaten the better competition actually, and I'd venture to say that even Froch has "beaten" better fighters then Ward and Bute. However, I think Kessler is the best fighter any of those 3 have on their record's and I also think Ward is the best and most complete fighter of the 3.

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I agree that Bute has beaten the better competition actually, and I'd venture to say that even Froch has "beaten" better fighters then Ward. However, I think Kessler is the best fighter any of those 3 have on their record's and I also think Ward is the best and most complete fighter of the 3.

Oh i totally agree with you word for word, i think Andre Ward very well could be the most complete fighter in the Super Middleweight division easy. I know i may sound crazy for saying this. But i think Andre Ward, is the only fighter out of the super six tournament that could beat Lucian Bute.

I also agree that Mikkel Kessler, is a better win than anything on Lucian Bute's resume. But im glad you agree with me regarding Lucian Bute being higher, i don't understand Bilbo's reasoning for that personally, considering how he feels about Nonito Donaire.