Ortiz v Murray could be on the Khan v Maidana undercard!

[JazMerkin]

I know it's Americans who are called daft but how many types does England have like Eric and Hammer stashed away?

I like John Murray, I haven't seen either of those fights but it's clear he isn't as talented as someone like Ortiz. I think the big thing is the weight too. I mean he would have to bully Ortiz and then make him quit but at 140 Ortiz is so much stronger, it probably just wouldn't happen like that. I think he's a very exciting fighter but the way to build him up and make him a better fighter isn't feeding him to the wolves, it's to accelerate his competition level and then like Skel says, let him get a fight with someone world class in 2 years. Very entertaining fighter to watch, like Skel I just think he doesn't have all the tools.

no dude its the brits who are daft

rarely do they back their own, take football as a prime example, going into every world cup and european championships all i ever hear off all the fans is how england have no chance of winning anything and how rubbish they are, its so rare you get an english fan backing their team

all over this forum youve got brits slagging ricky hattons record, and slagging david haye and carl froch, and hating amir khan. If this is how they feel why do they watch boxing? these have been our premier fighters over the last few years

John Murray is a good fighter with a good chance at world level and you as american or whatever would be daft to think murray would come over there and be a walk over for a fighter like ortiz.

Ortiz lost to maidana, who in turn lost to kotelnik, is that really good enough form to say murray would be a walk over?

Murray will step up and when he does i am looking forward to it

Jesus man, you make Hammer look like Nat Fleischer!

I've bolded only the stupidest parts of your post here, which is hard because there's some right comedy gold in there.

Ortiz losing to Maidana & his loss to Kotelnik has no bearing on anything. I'd take both those guys to beat Murray at 140, Maidana would stop him horribly & Murray's style is tailor made for Kotelnik, even he might stop him. Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more technically skilled. Murray has heart, but that won't get you past the other guy just being all-round physically better.

I love the comment about why watch boxing? Some people actually appreciate the sport of boxing, and will root for fighters they enjoy watching over guys who happen to have been born in the same country. Not to say I don't often favour a Brit, but if I think a fighter is a cock such as Froch, I'm not going to root for him.

As for the comment about nobody thinking we'll win the World Cup

Yeah, we're really restrained and pessimistic every time a big tournament rolls around

you seem to be upset that i have the opinion that murray could beat ortiz?

tell me the truth, before the world cup if someone said to you can england win it what would your reply have been?

Mate, your post couldn't upset me, I just think you're our new comic foil here, spouting silly opinions with half-baked justfications so I thought I'd join in the debate. Can you name some kind of skills/attributes that Murray has over Ortiz to beat him? As I said Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more skilled.

People did say to me before the most recent World Cup that England could win it & I disagreed but that was due to the quality of players and that I feel the likes of Terry, Lampard & Gerrard have been over-hyped in the EPL. If someone had said to me in 2002 that team could win the World Cup, I would have agreed because the team was more balanced imo & the opposition was on paper weaker. Amazingly it's not all a big anti-Brit conspiracy