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Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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Tell you what you what man, make a list of 5 super middleweights that have the one punch KO power of Mendoza and I'll concede the point to you. One punch KO power mind you, not accumulative like Kessler or Andrade
Mendoza hasn't got 1 punch KO power i don't why you believe that. But i think Mikkel Kessler, Carl Froch, Edison Miranda, Alejandro Berrio, Librado Andrade, Lucian Bute, Fulgencio Zuniga, all have strong cases for being bigger punchers than Mendoza. And heres a 40 fighters who i consider harder punchers than Mendoza.
Kelly Pavlik
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Roman Gonzalez
David Haye
Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Mikke Kessler
Kelly Pavlik
Antonio Tarver
Arthur Abraham
Andre Berto
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Ricardo Torres
Edwin Valero
Juan Manuel Lopez
Rafael Marquez
Carl Froch
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Edison Miranda
Jhonny Gonzalez
Vic Darchinyan
Enzo Maccarinelli
Ulises Solis
Librado Andrade
Breidis Prescott
Hugo Fidel Cazares
Kermit Cintron
Joel Casamayor
Shane Mosley
Vitali Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
O'Neil Bell
Herbie Hide
Lucian Bute
Fulgencio Zuniga
Joel Julio
Yuriokris Gamboa
James Kirkland
Victor Ortiz
Theres about 40 fighters who all hit harder than Mendoza, few only about 6 fighters on that list you could argue against.
I believe that he has one punch ko power, because he has knocked many opponents out with one punch. There are some genuine power punchers in your list, no doubt, but many are accumalative punchers. Just admit Mendoza has real power, it's ok.
I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
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Oh dear god :-X.luv u long time but Yeh,Im sure Jhonny could drop Lacy if he caught him as well ???All of those strike me as more refind & schooled hitters than Mendoza but raw power is raw power.
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Oh dear god :-X.luv u long time but Yeh,Im sure Jhonny could drop Lacy if he caught him as well ???All of those strike me as more refind & schooled hitters than Mendoza but raw power is raw power.
I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy ;D
And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?
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JT i think you need to read my post again i never said Mendoza can't punch. I just thought Killersheep was seriously overrating Mendoza's punching power saying "he hits incredibly hard" when thats not the case.
The point i was making about Mendoza never stopping an opponent when he stepped up, except Rubin Williams. Because that shows he hasn't got world class punching power. And considering how weak the Middleweight/Super Middleweight division has been in recent years i think thats saying something. Which is totally different to Earnie Shavers who was arguably in the top 5 strongest era's in boxing history.
Can Mendoza hit ? sure he can do damage but he certainly isn't nowhere near one the top punches in boxing today, i would find it hard to even have him in the top 40 hardest punchers in current day boxing.
Jeff Lacy was wobbling alot in that fight and he was also hurt against Vitali Tsypko, who is no puncher. Thats why im worried about Jeff Lacy's punch resistance.
Well Edison Miranda and Sam Peter have never KO'd anyone decent, so they obviously can't punch. Valero only name KO was against the little known Mosquera so he must be regarded as as powder puff as well until he KO's a top level genuine great right? :confused:
Anyway onto the fight, I agree with the majority that the odds are heavily stacked against Jeff Lacy for this one, he's clearly not been at his best since the Calzaghe loss.
But I'm a HUGE Jeff Lacy fan, love his heart, his passion and his honesty. In fact he's the only American fighter that get that same kind of passionate pride like I do my favourite English fighters.
He's one of the few fighters I want to see suceed on a personal level before a boxing one.
So even though most have already counted him out, I'll be staying up late to support my boy, whooping, hollaring and yahooing at my monitor screen the whole time.
Between now and Christmas he's probably the one fighter who I want to win more than any other, simply because everyone is discounting him and calling him shot. No fighter in the sport has more courage than Jeff Lacy inside the ring and he will give it 100% for 12 full rounds.
Taylor has much the better pedigree but he does lack self belief himself at times, and unlike Jeff takes time off. I expect Taylor to control the fight early and if Jeff comes at him it may suit him and he could even take Jeff apart. But there is a chance imo that Taylor starts to fade down the stretch and if the fight is in the balance down the final third of the fight I can guarantee that Lacy will be working overtime to try and finish the fight on top.
I'll say this much, if this fight is close going into the 10th round I'd put my house on Jeff Lacy winning the last 2 rounds. He's got more heart than any other American fighter imo and I can see Taylor mentally wilting in the 11th and 12th rounds if the fight is close and Lacy winning by a razor thin split decision. That will be good enough for me :cool:
Edison Miranda stopped iron chinned Howard Eastman who had never been stopped, and showed his power against higher quality opposition. Samuel Peter stopped Oleg Maskaev and again has showed his power against higher quality opposition, but i believe Samuel Peter's power is overratted aswell. I don't need to tell you about Edwin Valero you know the answer yourself.
And did you read what i said Bilbo ? i said he could punch i never said he couldn't, i was merely replying to Killersheep's comment of Mendoza hits incredibly hard. Which i disagreed with so i pointed out why he wasn't a world class puncher, and also pointed out why his power was made too look good against Jeff Lacy, because Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter.
Actually the referee stopped Howard Eastman Miranda didn't he was still fighting back when it was stopped ;)
Maskaev is notoriously chinny having been ko'd several times including one round demolitions.
Finally Mendoza rocked Lacy (who UNQUESTIONABLLY has an iron chin seeing as he took over 1000 flush punches from Calzaghe) like no man had ever rocked him before.
Calzaghe even after a 12 round assualt didn't have hurt Lacy as much as Mendoza did when he connected.
The guy hits HARD I don't even know why you are trying to argue against it :confused:
There is no shame in being hurt by a big puncher. And a puncher doesn't need to have KO'd great fighters to be considered to hit hard.
Look at Henry Cooper, mediocre record but he came close then anyone else in history to KO'ing a prime Ali, you can't tell me that Big Henry couldn't bang just because he had no wins over greats on his resume :rolleyes:
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Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Oh dear god :-X.luv u long time but Yeh,Im sure Jhonny could drop Lacy if he caught him as well ???All of those strike me as more refind & schooled hitters than Mendoza but raw power is raw power.
I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy ;D
And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?
Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.
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Ah, what a funny thread. ;D
I should really be writing my essay. But you all keep on posting here. Very entertaining! :p
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Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
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ICB
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Well Edison Miranda and Sam Peter have never KO'd anyone decent, so they obviously can't punch. Valero only name KO was against the little known Mosquera so he must be regarded as as powder puff as well until he KO's a top level genuine great right? :confused:
Anyway onto the fight, I agree with the majority that the odds are heavily stacked against Jeff Lacy for this one, he's clearly not been at his best since the Calzaghe loss.
But I'm a HUGE Jeff Lacy fan, love his heart, his passion and his honesty. In fact he's the only American fighter that get that same kind of passionate pride like I do my favourite English fighters.
He's one of the few fighters I want to see suceed on a personal level before a boxing one.
So even though most have already counted him out, I'll be staying up late to support my boy, whooping, hollaring and yahooing at my monitor screen the whole time.
Between now and Christmas he's probably the one fighter who I want to win more than any other, simply because everyone is discounting him and calling him shot. No fighter in the sport has more courage than Jeff Lacy inside the ring and he will give it 100% for 12 full rounds.
Taylor has much the better pedigree but he does lack self belief himself at times, and unlike Jeff takes time off. I expect Taylor to control the fight early and if Jeff comes at him it may suit him and he could even take Jeff apart. But there is a chance imo that Taylor starts to fade down the stretch and if the fight is in the balance down the final third of the fight I can guarantee that Lacy will be working overtime to try and finish the fight on top.
I'll say this much, if this fight is close going into the 10th round I'd put my house on Jeff Lacy winning the last 2 rounds. He's got more heart than any other American fighter imo and I can see Taylor mentally wilting in the 11th and 12th rounds if the fight is close and Lacy winning by a razor thin split decision. That will be good enough for me :cool:
Edison Miranda stopped iron chinned Howard Eastman who had never been stopped, and showed his power against higher quality opposition. Samuel Peter stopped Oleg Maskaev and again has showed his power against higher quality opposition, but i believe Samuel Peter's power is overratted aswell. I don't need to tell you about Edwin Valero you know the answer yourself.
And did you read what i said Bilbo ? i said he could punch i never said he couldn't, i was merely replying to Killersheep's comment of Mendoza hits incredibly hard. Which i disagreed with so i pointed out why he wasn't a world class puncher, and also pointed out why his power was made too look good against Jeff Lacy, because Jeff Lacy is a shot fighter.
Actually the referee stopped Howard Eastman Miranda didn't he was still fighting back when it was stopped ;)
Maskaev is notoriously chinny having been ko'd several times including one round demolitions.
Finally Mendoza rocked Lacy (who UNQUESTIONABLLY has an iron chin seeing as he took over 1000 flush punches from Calzaghe) like no man had ever rocked him before.
Calzaghe even after a 12 round assualt didn't have hurt Lacy as much as Mendoza did when he connected.
The guy hits HARD I don't even know why you are trying to argue against it :confused:
There is no shame in being hurt by a big puncher. And a puncher doesn't need to have KO'd great fighters to be considered to hit hard.
Look at Henry Cooper, mediocre record but he came close then anyone else in history to KO'ing a prime Ali, you can't tell me that Big Henry couldn't bang just because he had no wins over greats on his resume :rolleyes:
Bilbo first off Jeff Lacy never took 1000 flush punches off Joe Calzaghe thats a myth, he landed not even half that amount i don't think according to the stats.
Jeff Lacy was also rocked by a non puncher like Vitali Tsypko which proves, his punch resistance is very shaky lately.
Im putting this in bold considering people keep saying, im saying Mendoza can't hit hard. I said he isn't a world class puncher, i never said he couldn't hit.
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ICB
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Mendoza hasn't got 1 punch KO power i don't why you believe that. But i think Mikkel Kessler, Carl Froch, Edison Miranda, Alejandro Berrio, Librado Andrade, Lucian Bute, Fulgencio Zuniga, all have strong cases for being bigger punchers than Mendoza. And heres a 40 fighters who i consider harder punchers than Mendoza.
Kelly Pavlik
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Roman Gonzalez
David Haye
Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Mikke Kessler
Kelly Pavlik
Antonio Tarver
Arthur Abraham
Andre Berto
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Ricardo Torres
Edwin Valero
Juan Manuel Lopez
Rafael Marquez
Carl Froch
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Edison Miranda
Jhonny Gonzalez
Vic Darchinyan
Enzo Maccarinelli
Ulises Solis
Librado Andrade
Breidis Prescott
Hugo Fidel Cazares
Kermit Cintron
Joel Casamayor
Shane Mosley
Vitali Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
O'Neil Bell
Herbie Hide
Lucian Bute
Fulgencio Zuniga
Joel Julio
Yuriokris Gamboa
James Kirkland
Victor Ortiz
Theres about 40 fighters who all hit harder than Mendoza, few only about 6 fighters on that list you could argue against.
I believe that he has one punch ko power, because he has knocked many opponents out with one punch. There are some genuine power punchers in your list, no doubt, but many are accumalative punchers. Just admit Mendoza has real power, it's ok.
I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.
Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to
Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Oh dear god :-X.luv u long time but Yeh,Im sure Jhonny could drop Lacy if he caught him as well ???All of those strike me as more refind & schooled hitters than Mendoza but raw power is raw power.
I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy ;D
And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?
Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.
I don't remember Jeff Lacy being KD what round was this ?
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I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy ;D
And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?
Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.
I don't remember Jeff Lacy being KD what round was this ?
He wasn't knocked down, but he was so ready to fall he tackled Mendoza to avoid it. If memory serves correct it was somewhere between the 6th and 8th round.
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killersheep
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ICB
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killersheep
I believe that he has one punch ko power, because he has knocked many opponents out with one punch. There are some genuine power punchers in your list, no doubt, but many are accumalative punchers. Just admit Mendoza has real power, it's ok.
I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.
Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to
Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"
Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.
Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.
Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.
Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.
You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.
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I agree with you no way 124 pounds of Mendoza drops 170+ pounds of Jeff Lacy ;D
And as for your other comment Mendoza never dropped Lacy so whats your pount ?
Save for a tackle,Lacy was down and stunned very badly.
I don't remember Jeff Lacy being KD what round was this ?
Check u-tube ;D.He was stunned up badly along the ropes late,I want to say with an uppercut,and was reduced to literally tackeling Mendoza to save himself.Very ugly and he admitted as much in the post fight interview.Pretty honest dude.Not sure if the WNF Espn thread had a RBR but its around.
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Looks like im a bit outnumbered here against JT, Bilbo, Spicoli, Sheep ;D
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I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.
Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to
Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"
Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.
Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.
Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.
Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.
You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80
How can you deny this power?
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ICB
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killersheep
Nobody here is saying he has skill, but everyone here besides you, sees that he has "World Class Power". I say his power is world class let's look at your list then and pull out the fighters at 168 so we are not comparing apples to oranges.
Mikkel Kessler - accumulative power
Carl Froch - valid
Edison Miranda - valid
Librado Andrade - accumulative power
Lucian Bute - accumulative power
Zuniga - I'd say equal to
Well if that's what we're comparing to I don't see how you can say he doesn't have "World Class Power"
Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.
Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.
Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.
Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.
You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80
How can you deny this power?
Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.
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ICB
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killersheep
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Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.
Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.
Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.
Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.
You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80
How can you deny this power?
Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.
Anyways im off for tonight good debate folks, we'll debate this more tomorrow if you can handle it ;D
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ICB
Lucian Bute stopped Kabary Salem who had never been stopped, and had gone 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe and dropped him.
Zungia dropped Kelly Pavlik and also stopped 26-0 Victor Oganov.
Mikkel Kessler also has 1 punch KO's under his belt which are against better quality opposition.
Librado Andrade is debatable i'll give you that.
You keep saying Mendoza has 1 punch KO power but how many of these KO's have you actually seen ? because i've only seen his fights with Dawson, Williams, Lacy, his other KO's were against bums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdyLpR50c80
How can you deny this power?
Never did i said he is a good puncher not world class puncher, and i'll keep saying it no matter what, i think we have a stalemate here bro.
I don't get what he'd have to show to prove he has "world class power" then, did you need to see Williams head explode or something?
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If you really want to grimace,find Mendoza's 1st round KO fight of then touted prospect Tukombu (?) Olajide a number of years back.....He caught him with a huge right hook (?) and Olajide just collapsed.The bad part was he broke his ankle in a 90 degree angel on live TV,It was truly gruesome to see.
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Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..
Kessler???? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching
He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..
You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic
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Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..
Kessler???? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching
He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..
You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic
I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ? :rolleyes:
Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.
Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.
Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"
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JT Rock
Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..
Kessler???? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching
He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..
You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic
I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ? :rolleyes:
Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.
Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.
Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"
NO ICE has nothing to to with Lacy.. its just your style of how you go about things, Im not the only one who notices or comment on things.. Its a fact that you are wildly inconsistent in your analysis from one thread to the next. Whatever will advance your argument is what you will do whether its fact or opinion or just a lie(Which you have admited to doing) You never concede a thing to anyone rather you will google, boxrec more until you make the entire forums head spin and they just throw there hands up.. Vintage ICB;)
Just because you dont like Mendozas punch technique and it looks to you like a slap, dosent change the results of what he actually is.. A damn hard puncher that can put anyone out at 168-175.. END OF!!!
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ICB
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JT Rock
Alright this just becomes plain ridiculous.. about how He has raw power but he is not a world class puncher?? Ice everyone one knows your manipulative style and symantics to go any great length to try to win a debate.. But google, boxrec research has really skewed you on this one..
Kessler???? Your kidding right, he is a refined Boxer with good pop and sets up his Ko through sharp punching an accumulative punching
He isint a raw powerhouse type puncher..
You really showed your lack of knowledge with Peter knocking out Maskaev, a guy who was stopped 5 times prior to his fight with Peter.. Just dont get your logic
I think whats ridiculous here is now your trying to insult me, because this thread involves your favorite fighter Jeff Lacy. And because i don't agree with you now i go to any lengths to win a debate and now im ridiculous ? :rolleyes:
Not once have i tried to put down Jeff Lacy or Mendoza's punching power, i just didn't think Mendoza has the kind of power which you guys seem to think he has. For one you guys except for Spicoli, have barely seen any of Mendoza's fights, so i would love to know how you would know he has 1 punch world class power.
Secondly i admitted i had only seen few of his fights, but from what i see. He doesn't plant his feet into his shots, he mostly throw's arm punches especially with the right hook which is mostly a slapping punch, and the only real punch he actually seemed to be effective with is the uppercut in the Jeff Lacy fight.
Certainly not what i would class as a "World class 1 punch KO puncher"
NO ICE has nothing to to with Lacy.. its just your style of how you go about things, Im not the only one who notices or comment on things.. Its a fact that you are wildly inconsistent in your analysis from one thread to the next. Whatever will advance your argument is what you will do whether its fact or opinion or just a lie(Which you have admited to doing) You never concede a thing to anyone rather you will google, boxrec more until you make the entire forums head spin and they just throw there hands up.. Vintage ICB;)
Just because
you dont like Mendozas punch technique
and it looks to you like a slap, dosent change the results of what he actually is.. A damn hard puncher that can put anyone out at 168-175.. END OF!!!
JT one thing i first must point out which you do bring up from time to time, that debate we had about the debates we used to have on the hidden boards. Was explained to you by me and Bilbo.
I was given a subject to debate like at school, and your personal feelings or no matter what you believe. Doesn't really matter your just supposed to debate the subject and win it which i did, i did somewhat lie because not everything i was saying i actually believed, but i did not give Brucelee any twisted facts or etc.
But as i said it doesn't really matter if i believed it or not, i was given the subject not out of choice. Brucelee picked the subject so i debated it just like you would when you was at school. But at no other time on the main board have i lied about what i believe in a debate, if i don't know much about a certain subject i just don't bother posting in the thread end of.
Regarding Mendoza again i never stated he wasn't a good puncher, i have said time and time again he was a good puncher. Considering he has seriously technical flaws, but because he has those flaws he isn't getting his full power into the shots, because he doesn't turn his hips, plant his feet, or get his bodyweight into the shots. Its got nothing to do with disliking Mendoza, and i actually don't dislike Mendoza. And why would i ? he hasn't done anything wrong from what i heard, i was just giving honest opinion on him. But he certainly isn't a world class puncher IMO, and again i would love to know how you would know he is, because i've doubt you seen more than 2 fights of his.
Lastly i don't know the people who have been noticing my *inconsistency*, but i don't change my opinions from one thread to the other, i may change my opinion on a certain fighter after a certain amount of time. Just like you have regarding Antonio Margarito, but i don't see why thats *inconsistent*. People are allowed to change there opinion, and if these so called *people* have a problem with my opinions or *inconsistency* as you put it, then they should straight up tell me about. And not discuss about it with other members in a PM, which im assuming has happened.
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Both Lacy and Mendoza are bums end of. Mendoza may be a good puncher. But he is a bum end of. He's not even a contender. I had to look on boxrec to see who he was when Jeff Lacy was fighting him.
And as for Bilbo Lacy got SLAPPED by Calzaghe and went down from a slap. Calzaghe doesn't punch properly due to his bad hands.
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I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
I would like to note you have moved from saying he doesn't have "world class power" to the argument he isn't a "world class puncher". Now it may seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but that seems to be the basis of your argument, George Foreman is another example of someone who had "world class power", but not a "world class puncher". I say this because his technique was horrible, but you could not deny his power. You are calling me out for not seeing enough of Mendoza's fights, I have seen more of his fights than you however on telemundo and espn2, I haven't been able to find clips of them to show you though. Fights to see his power are Williams (which you have seen), Vegara and Hammond.
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Both Lacy and Mendoza are bums end of. Mendoza may be a good puncher. But he is a bum end of. He's not even a contender. I had to look on boxrec to see who he was when Jeff Lacy was fighting him.
And as for Bilbo Lacy got SLAPPED by Calzaghe and went down from a slap. Calzaghe doesn't punch properly due to his bad hands.
I find it funny when teenagers who would prolly fall thru there own arsehole scared when confronted by a Bona Fied Pro Fighter, can be so disrespectful and throw around the word bum so loosely:rolleyes:
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Taylor will probably come in a little cold being he hasn't fought since Feb and that is Lacy's big oppurtunity. The added weight and raw power from Lacy could stop Taylor early. Another thing Taylor doesn't fight well backing up where as Lacy is always coming forward this to could give Taylor problems. If Taylor get's going early and just boxes for twelve rounds he could beat Lacy. I don't think Taylor is ready for the pressure of a raw Lacy or a knock down drag 'em out fight. I am going with Lacy on this one.
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I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
I would like to note you have moved from saying he doesn't have "world class power" to the argument he isn't a "world class puncher". Now it may seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but that seems to be the basis of your argument, George Foreman is another example of someone who had "world class power", but not a "world class puncher". I say this because his technique was horrible, but you could not deny his power. You are calling me out for not seeing enough of Mendoza's fights, I have seen more of his fights than you however on telemundo and espn2, I haven't been able to find clips of them to show you though. Fights to see his power are Williams (which you have seen), Vegara and Hammond.
I've said from the start he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a world class puncher his technique is horrible. And just because George Foreman could punch while not being technically sound. Doesn't mean Mendoza is in that league i think thats very flawed logic.
Secondly i said i've doubt you have seen many Mendoza fights, because many members who do follow boxing very closely. Hadn't even heard of him or had only seen 1 or 2 of his fights, thats why i said it not because im trying to insult you, but if you have then great. But from the fights i've seen i think his punches are very sloppy, he doesn't plant his feet, he doesn't use his hips which is important. And the only real punch he seems to be effective with is the uppercut.
I think calling him a world class puncher is way off base IMO, but like i said just because i think that way doesn't mean im right. I have my opinion like you have yours. As i said yesterday this is a stalemate, you believe one thing i believe another, i don't think we are gonna change eachother's minds. The only thing i'll agree on is that he has good power but not at world class level.
If he had world class power like you say then he would of been one of the top Super Middleweights. Because the division has been weak for sometime, and if he did have that kind of power im sure he would be a top 10 Super Middleweight by now, look at Edwin Valero, Daniel Ponce De Leon, for examples. There not technically sound but both have won world titles, you know why ? because they have World class power, if Mendoza was in that league regarding power, even though he has technical flaws. I would bet all my life savings he would be well up there regarding the Super Middleweight rankings.
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I never said he didn't had power, why do people keep saying i said he doesn't have power ? i said he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a good opponent. Nor is he anywhere near a title challenger.
I would like to note you have moved from saying he doesn't have "world class power" to the argument he isn't a "world class puncher". Now it may seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but that seems to be the basis of your argument, George Foreman is another example of someone who had "world class power", but not a "world class puncher". I say this because his technique was horrible, but you could not deny his power. You are calling me out for not seeing enough of Mendoza's fights, I have seen more of his fights than you however on telemundo and espn2, I haven't been able to find clips of them to show you though. Fights to see his power are Williams (which you have seen), Vegara and Hammond.
I've said from the start he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a world class puncher his technique is horrible. And just because George Foreman could punch while not being technically sound. Doesn't mean Mendoza is in that league i think thats very flawed logic.
Secondly i said i've doubt you have seen many Mendoza fights, because many members who do follow boxing very closely. Hadn't even heard of him or had only seen 1 or 2 of his fights, thats why i said it not because im trying to insult you, but if you have then great. But from the fights i've seen i think his punches are very sloppy, he doesn't plant his feet, he doesn't use his hips which is important.
And the only real punch he seems to be effective with is the uppercut.
I think calling him a world class puncher is way off base IMO, but like i said just because i think that way doesn't mean im right. I have my opinion like you have yours. As i said yesterday this is a stalemate, you believe one thing i believe another, i don't think we are gonna change eachother's minds. The only thing i'll agree on is that he has good power but not at world class level.
If he had world class power like you say then he would of been one of the top Super Middleweights. Because the division has been weak for sometime, and if he did have that kind of power im sure he would be a top 10 Super Middleweight by now, look at Edwin Valero, Daniel Ponce De Leon, for examples. There not technically sound but both have won world titles, you know why ? because they have World class power, if Mendoza was in that league regarding power, even though he has technical flaws. I would bet all my life savings he would be well up there regarding the Super Middleweight rankings.
This statement right here is where you show a more limited knowledge of Mendoza then the people you are debating, his overhand right is by far his money punch. You mention Edwin Valero and Ponce de Leon, they have won titles because they got title shots against much lower competition than Mendoza. Valero won against Mosquera, and underrated fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Dawson, I had to look up who DPDL won his title against, that was Gerson Guerrero can't say that I'd rank him as world class or well known, and certainly not at the level of Dawson. If Mendoza fought someone that happened to have a title that was at the skill level of Guerrero his power would give him more than a good chance.
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I don't think Taylor is ready for the pressure of a raw Lacy or a knock down drag 'em out fight. I am going with Lacy on this one.
Granted, i'm a taylor fan, but i think the JT of the Hopkins fights and Pavlik2 will be too much for anything Lacy brings... if you'll recall, JT pressured the hell out of Hopkins in the first fight. Maybe he's cold, but i'm hoping he still has the fire. the best JT easily beats the best Lacy ever was.
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Does anyone else think "All or Nothing" is a lame name? Every fight is for all or nothing.
Regardless, this is a great match-up and should be a great fight.
I think DiBella's musical tastes are to blame on this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrTpPbD6VoQ
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I would like to note you have moved from saying he doesn't have "world class power" to the argument he isn't a "world class puncher". Now it may seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but that seems to be the basis of your argument, George Foreman is another example of someone who had "world class power", but not a "world class puncher". I say this because his technique was horrible, but you could not deny his power. You are calling me out for not seeing enough of Mendoza's fights, I have seen more of his fights than you however on telemundo and espn2, I haven't been able to find clips of them to show you though. Fights to see his power are Williams (which you have seen), Vegara and Hammond.
I've said from the start he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a world class puncher his technique is horrible. And just because George Foreman could punch while not being technically sound. Doesn't mean Mendoza is in that league i think thats very flawed logic.
Secondly i said i've doubt you have seen many Mendoza fights, because many members who do follow boxing very closely. Hadn't even heard of him or had only seen 1 or 2 of his fights, thats why i said it not because im trying to insult you, but if you have then great. But from the fights i've seen i think his punches are very sloppy, he doesn't plant his feet, he doesn't use his hips which is important.
And the only real punch he seems to be effective with is the uppercut.
I think calling him a world class puncher is way off base IMO, but like i said just because i think that way doesn't mean im right. I have my opinion like you have yours. As i said yesterday this is a stalemate, you believe one thing i believe another, i don't think we are gonna change eachother's minds. The only thing i'll agree on is that he has good power but not at world class level.
If he had world class power like you say then he would of been one of the top Super Middleweights. Because the division has been weak for sometime, and if he did have that kind of power im sure he would be a top 10 Super Middleweight by now, look at Edwin Valero, Daniel Ponce De Leon, for examples. There not technically sound but both have won world titles, you know why ? because they have World class power, if Mendoza was in that league regarding power, even though he has technical flaws. I would bet all my life savings he would be well up there regarding the Super Middleweight rankings.
This statement right here is where you show a more limited knowledge of Mendoza then the people you are debating, his overhand right is by far his money punch. You mention Edwin Valero and Ponce de Leon, they have won titles because they got title shots against much lower competition than Mendoza. Valero won against Mosquera, and underrated fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Dawson, I had to look up who DPDL won his title against, that was Gerson Guerrero can't say that I'd rank him as world class or well known, and certainly not at the level of Dawson. If Mendoza fought someone that happened to have a title that was at the skill level of Guerrero his power would give him more than a good chance.
Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.
The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.
Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.
So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.
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I've said from the start he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a world class puncher his technique is horrible. And just because George Foreman could punch while not being technically sound. Doesn't mean Mendoza is in that league i think thats very flawed logic.
Secondly i said i've doubt you have seen many Mendoza fights, because many members who do follow boxing very closely. Hadn't even heard of him or had only seen 1 or 2 of his fights, thats why i said it not because im trying to insult you, but if you have then great. But from the fights i've seen i think his punches are very sloppy, he doesn't plant his feet, he doesn't use his hips which is important. And the only real punch he seems to be effective with is the uppercut.
I think calling him a world class puncher is way off base IMO, but like i said just because i think that way doesn't mean im right. I have my opinion like you have yours. As i said yesterday this is a stalemate, you believe one thing i believe another, i don't think we are gonna change eachother's minds. The only thing i'll agree on is that he has good power but not at world class level.
If he had world class power like you say then he would of been one of the top Super Middleweights. Because the division has been weak for sometime, and if he did have that kind of power im sure he would be a top 10 Super Middleweight by now, look at Edwin Valero, Daniel Ponce De Leon, for examples. There not technically sound but both have won world titles, you know why ? because they have World class power, if Mendoza was in that league regarding power, even though he has technical flaws. I would bet all my life savings he would be well up there regarding the Super Middleweight rankings.
This statement right here is where you show a more limited knowledge of Mendoza then the people you are debating, his overhand right is by far his money punch. You mention Edwin Valero and Ponce de Leon, they have won titles because they got title shots against much lower competition than Mendoza. Valero won against Mosquera, and underrated fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Dawson, I had to look up who DPDL won his title against, that was Gerson Guerrero can't say that I'd rank him as world class or well known, and certainly not at the level of Dawson. If Mendoza fought someone that happened to have a title that was at the skill level of Guerrero his power would give him more than a good chance.
Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.
The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.
Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.
So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.
So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........
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This statement right here is where you show a more limited knowledge of Mendoza then the people you are debating, his overhand right is by far his money punch. You mention Edwin Valero and Ponce de Leon, they have won titles because they got title shots against much lower competition than Mendoza. Valero won against Mosquera, and underrated fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Dawson, I had to look up who DPDL won his title against, that was Gerson Guerrero can't say that I'd rank him as world class or well known, and certainly not at the level of Dawson. If Mendoza fought someone that happened to have a title that was at the skill level of Guerrero his power would give him more than a good chance.
Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.
The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.
Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.
So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.
So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........
I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?
You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.
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Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.
The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.
Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.
So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.
So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........
I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?
You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.
Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution
Define: "World Class Power" for me.
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Cornball moment :bucktooth: : I think it's a good testament to us as fans that an also ran type like Mendoza generates this much debate.Not every thing has to be about Pac/Cotto/Delahoya/etc.Actually made me pull his fight with Rowland (?) off the shelf,He really got his ears boxed off.Just thinking out loud.
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So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........
I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?
You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.
Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution
Define: "World Class Power" for me.
Fighters who can stop World class opposition.
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Cornball moment :bucktooth: : I think it's a good testament to us as fans that an also ran type like Mendoza generates this much debate.Not every thing has to be about Pac/Cotto/Delahoya/etc.Actually made me pull his fight with Rowland (?) off the shelf,He really got his ears boxed off.Just thinking out loud.
Yea its a good debate with good points made all round IMO.
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I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?
You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.
Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution
Define: "World Class Power" for me.
Fighters who can stop World class opposition.
So Joe Calzaghe has World Class power?
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Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution
Define: "World Class Power" for me.
Fighters who can stop World class opposition.
So Joe Calzaghe has World Class power?
Yes he used to have at one point he had 22 wins, 21 Ko's and was considering a banger. He also knocked down iron chinned Chris Eubank twice, ever since he had the hand surgery i believe in 2000, he hasn't ever been the same power wise. Hence why he has been slapping more, and hence why his KO ratio has gone way down.
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Re: Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!
Taylor is way too talented to lose to lacy. It would be a major upset if he did.
