Boxrec make JMM No1 Lightweight. Who agrees?

[Galaxy]

I agree completely with what your saying Galaxy and have already acknowledged that Marquez as champ is the 'technically correct' decision as regards to the Ring rankings.

But we have moved on from that and are trying to discuss how 'in reality according to actual performance, achievments, merit,' etc the rankings should be ordered.

For me there is no question that Pacquiao right now should be number 1 as he is the p4p number 1 fighter in the sport and beat Marquez in the past year.

Campbell beat undoubtedly the best lightweight in the division in Juan Diaz, an undefeated fighter who was on the verge of unifying all the belts, so he is at number 2.

Marquez has made a great debut at lightweight in KO'ing Casamayor, but he lost to Pacquiao last time out and by rights Casa shouldn't even have been champ after losing almost every round on everybody's scorecards against Santa Cruz and also almost getting beat up by the mediocre Katsidis who Juan Diaz dominated.

So Marquez for me is at number 3.

Now I repeat, these are not the Ring rankings but what I believe are the most accurate rankings for the current state of the lightweight division.

I absolutely agree that the Ring magazine will almost certainly put Marquez at number 1 as they follow the lineage of titles closely. For them this is the correct decision.

but the fact remains that in a practical sense Marquez's win over an aged and clearly past it Casa isn't enough on its own to lift him above Campbells dominating performance over the 3 times unbeaten champ Juan Diaz.

He also lost to Manny last time out and that coupled with the fact that Manny is universally considered the p4p best fighter in the world means he ranks below them both.

NOT the Ring rankings, but the most accurate rankings.

Hope that clears it up

I agree Bilbo that Casa did not deserve the W over Santa Cruz but bad decisions are nothing new to the game. So unfortunately we have to live with it. I can name dozens of fights where the champion got the nod when he didn't deserve it... Ali had a few himself, but the fact is he remained champ!

So the question for me is how do you rate someone higher than the champ? In the world I live in with reality you can't. Sure someone might be better but until they prove it by beating the champ they're only the #1 contender!

Now Pacquiao is definitely #1 P4P & arguably the best fighter in the division & Campbell put in a great performance over Diaz & also has a case as the best fighter in the division. But they are not the champion, theres a difference!

Look at Sonny Liston or Marvin Hagler they were considered the best fighters in the division but until they beat the champ they were only the #1 contender.

Thats the way it is! You have to beat the man to be the man!

One question here, will DelaHoya become the no. 1 P4P if he beats PAC come Dec. 6 ?

I think the answer is NO but Oscar can make a spin on it by beating the man seating on the P4P throne...
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The answer is no but I have no idea what this has to do with a the lightweight championship. P4P is purely mythical rankings & is based on a whole career of achievement at different weights & against different opponents.

When Douglas beat Tyson I can't name one person who rated Buster as #1 P4P but he was still the world heavyweight champion!

[XaduBoxer]

I agree Bilbo that Casa did not deserve the W over Santa Cruz but bad decisions are nothing new to the game. So unfortunately we have to live with it. I can name dozens of fights where the champion got the nod when he didn't deserve it... Ali had a few himself, but the fact is he remained champ!

So the question for me is how do you rate someone higher than the champ? In the world I live in with reality you can't. Sure someone might be better but until they prove it by beating the champ they're only the #1 contender!

Now Pacquiao is definitely #1 P4P & arguably the best fighter in the division & Campbell put in a great performance over Diaz & also has a case as the best fighter in the division. But they are not the champion, theres a difference!

Look at Sonny Liston or Marvin Hagler they were considered the best fighters in the division but until they beat the champ they were only the #1 contender.

Thats the way it is! You have to beat the man to be the man!

One question here, will DelaHoya become the no. 1 P4P if he beats PAC come Dec. 6 ?

I think the answer is NO but Oscar can make a spin on it by beating the man seating on the P4P throne...
.

The answer is no but I have no idea what this has to do with a the lightweight championship. P4P is purely mythical rankings & is based on a whole career of achievement at different weights & against different opponents.

When Douglas beat Tyson I can't name one person who rated Buster as #1 P4P but he was still the world heavyweight champion!

It has nothing to do with the LW championship... but I'm guessing Hoya might use the phrase "I'm now the man because I beat the man"...

[Galaxy]

One question here, will DelaHoya become the no. 1 P4P if he beats PAC come Dec. 6 ?

I think the answer is NO but Oscar can make a spin on it by beating the man seating on the P4P throne...
.

The answer is no but I have no idea what this has to do with a the lightweight championship. P4P is purely mythical rankings & is based on a whole career of achievement at different weights & against different opponents.

When Douglas beat Tyson I can't name one person who rated Buster as #1 P4P but he was still the world heavyweight champion!

It has nothing to do with the LW championship... but I'm guessing Hoya might use the phrase "I'm now the man because I beat the man"...

Sorry I thought this thread was about the lightweights!

DLH could say that & I'm sure his fans will run with it, but most knowledgeable fans know that the majority of the time a good big man will defeat a good little man. DLH has huge advantages coming into this fight & I think he would be very foolish to make those claims if victorious!