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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Bilbo
I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.
The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.
The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.
We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?
As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.
The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.
Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.
As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit. :confused:
Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.
The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.
The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.
We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?
As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.
The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.
Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.
As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit. :confused:
Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!
But the 147 lb limit is the MAX limit not the limit they have to fight at. A fighter can weigh in anywhere between 141 and 147 and its a legit weltweight fight under the rules.
A fighter is free to weighh within those limits but not under 140 and not over 147.
As I said in a previous post when the Cotto Manny fight was announced any agreement between Manny and Floyd about catchweight is seperate from the sanctioning body.
If Floyd agrees to come in at 145 and actually weighs 147 it won't mean the fight gets stopped, he won't have broken any sanctioning body rules and he is free to fight at 147.
However, he will have violated a private contract signed between himself and Manny and under those terms would be bound to meet any penalties owing for infracting that stipulation, most likely a fine or cut of profits.
It was the same with his fight with Marquez. He agreed 145 lbs, he didn't even try and make that weight and instead came in at 147 anyway. The sanctioning body don't care at all as he made weight according to their rules but he had to pay Marquez a couple million dollars for violating their private agreement.
Personally I'm all in favour of fighters having the power to negotiate their own contracts and wieght arrangements. Anything that helps faciliate the process of the big fights being made should be applauded.
It's not the weight classes that make boxing, its the fighters.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.
The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.
The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.
We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?
As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.
The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.
Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.
As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit. :confused:
Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!
But the 147 lb limit is the MAX limit not the limit they have to fight at. A fighter can weigh in anywhere between 141 and 147 and its a legit weltweight fight under the rules.
A fighter is free to weighh within those limits but not under 140 and not over 147.
As I said in a previous post when the Cotto Manny fight was announced any agreement between Manny and Floyd about catchweight is seperate from the sanctioning body.
If Floyd agrees to come in at 145 and actually weighs 147 it won't mean the fight gets stopped, he won't have broken any sanctioning body rules and he is free to fight at 147.
However, he will have violated a private contract signed between himself and Manny and under those terms would be bound to meet any penalties owing for infracting that stipulation, most likely a fine or cut of profits.
It was the same with his fight with Marquez. He agreed 145 lbs, he didn't even try and make that weight and instead came in at 147 anyway. The sanctioning body don't care at all as he made weight according to their rules but he had to pay Marquez a couple million dollars for violating their private agreement.
Personally I'm all in favour of fighters having the power to negotiate their own contracts and wieght arrangements. Anything that helps faciliate the process of the big fights being made should be applauded.
It's not the weight classes that make boxing, its the fighters.
Not sure why you replied to my post with that. I think you meant to reply to someone else maybe? Try reading my other posts on here.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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purtyboy
Ok let me rephrase my question... Why set a limit for the Welterweight belt of 145 for a belt that goes up to 147? Belts should not be won at a Catch Weight ... IMO
*edit weights*
Agreed, completely. Every concession has been made for Manny. Diamond belt? WTF? As if there already weren't enough belts in boxing... Now he's not only considered a welterweight, but holds welterweight titles when he's never actually fought at 147 (that's the actual welterweight limit for anyone who doesn't know). Boxing (the sport I love) is getting RIDICULOUS
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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killersheep
Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!
But the 147 lb limit is the MAX limit not the limit they have to fight at. A fighter can weigh in anywhere between 141 and 147 and its a legit weltweight fight under the rules.
A fighter is free to weighh within those limits but not under 140 and not over 147.
As I said in a previous post when the Cotto Manny fight was announced any agreement between Manny and Floyd about catchweight is seperate from the sanctioning body.
If Floyd agrees to come in at 145 and actually weighs 147 it won't mean the fight gets stopped, he won't have broken any sanctioning body rules and he is free to fight at 147.
However, he will have violated a private contract signed between himself and Manny and under those terms would be bound to meet any penalties owing for infracting that stipulation, most likely a fine or cut of profits.
It was the same with his fight with Marquez. He agreed 145 lbs, he didn't even try and make that weight and instead came in at 147 anyway. The sanctioning body don't care at all as he made weight according to their rules but he had to pay Marquez a couple million dollars for violating their private agreement.
Personally I'm all in favour of fighters having the power to negotiate their own contracts and wieght arrangements. Anything that helps faciliate the process of the big fights being made should be applauded.
It's not the weight classes that make boxing, its the fighters.
Not sure why you replied to my post with that. I think you meant to reply to someone else maybe? Try reading my other posts on here.
Killer you should know by now I don't read other people's replies.
As soon as I've posted I'm off writing my follow up :p
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
Are people still complaining that Pac won the belt unfairly because he didn't fight at exactly 147?
Not sure what isn't sinking in? He could have been 141 and would have still been a worthy champion.
Cotto agreed to the catch weight as part of the deal to do the fight. He didn't have to agree to it.
I don't see the problem with catch weights, as long as it's within reason of the weight class. A 142 catch weight would have been a bit harsh and unfair.
Cotto didn't seem to struggle to make 145 and I think any idiot will know those 2lbs didn't make any difference. I think it was almost pointless putting the condition in!
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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0james0
Are people still complaining that Pac won the belt unfairly because he didn't fight at exactly 147?
Not sure what isn't sinking in? He could have been 141 and would have still been a worthy champion.
Cotto agreed to the catch weight as part of the deal to do the fight. He didn't have to agree to it.
I don't see the problem with catch weights, as long as it's within reason of the weight class. A 142 catch weight would have been a bit harsh and unfair.
Cotto didn't seem to struggle to make 145 and I think any idiot will know those 2lbs didn't make any difference. I think it was almost pointless putting the condition in!
We'll never know if the 2lbs would've make a difference and it's impossible for anyone to say otherwise. What deal was made with Cotto is done. I'm talking about Mayweather. He shouldn't have to fight at a catch weight just to appease 'the great manny pacquiao'. Pac has been given enough concessions. Lets see the fight at 147 (where welterweight title bouts are usually held) and let the winner take all.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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purtyboy
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Pacdbest2
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purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid????
lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight..
if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?
WTF! lol 147 is the minimum at welterweight? Kid get we don't need you here.
Welterweight is between 140.1 to 147 pounds. The Maximum is 147 not minimum. ;D
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Intazzz
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purtyboy
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Pacdbest2
It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid????
lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight..
if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?
WTF! lol 147 is the minimum at welterweight? Kid get we don't need you here.
Welterweight is between 140.1 to 147 pounds. The Maximum is 147 not minimum. ;D
...Although title fights are usually fought spanning the whole of the weight class (ie. 147 being the maximum).
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Intazzz
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purtyboy
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Pacdbest2
It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid????
lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight..
if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?
WTF! lol 147 is the minimum at welterweight? Kid get we don't need you here.
Welterweight is between 140.1 to 147 pounds. The Maximum is 147 not minimum. ;D
Yeah that was brought up already i meant Maximum, and i rephrase the whole question so read everything before you post... the thing is simple.. Championship fights should not have a catch weight a fighter should be allowed to come at the maximum weight of his belt division which was 147 not 145! ps: I been here since 04/05 around there i aint leaving just yet...:lickish:
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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purtyboy
Yeah that was brought up already i meant Maximum, and i rephrase the whole question so read everything before you post... the thing is simple.. Championship fights should not have a catch weight a fighter should be allowed to come at the maximum weight of his belt division which was 147 not 145! ps: I been here since 04/05 around there i aint leaving just yet...:lickish:
But Cotto agreed to it. As champion he could have declined that catch weight if he really wanted, he prob wasn't bothered by it and thought it was an easy way to make an extra couple £m.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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0james0
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purtyboy
Yeah that was brought up already i meant Maximum, and i rephrase the whole question so read everything before you post... the thing is simple.. Championship fights should not have a catch weight a fighter should be allowed to come at the maximum weight of his belt division which was 147 not 145! ps: I been here since 04/05 around there i aint leaving just yet...:lickish:
But Cotto agreed to it. As champion he could have declined that catch weight if he really wanted, he prob wasn't bothered by it and thought it was an easy way to make an extra couple £m.
Like i said this is not an anti-pac thing. Cotto agreed to it and in my opinion Pac would have won at 147. It's just that wbo/wba/wbc bodies that allow catchweight title fights. I simply feel the rule should be change when it comes to a title fight. If you cant take the extra 2 pounds risk that come with the belt then you should not earn it.. catch weights dont bother me, titles being won at them do.. no matter who agrees to what..
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
First of all, you are a hater so this thread basically is an anti-pac thread.
Second, there's no provision that you can't win a title when you fight below 147. Besides, 145 was the weight they have agreed upon during weigh-in; definitely not the weight when they fought. Both of them were over 147 when they fought so how could this be not a 147 fight? You will see the logic if you'll remove your hate on Pac.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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brucelee
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purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
First of all, you are a hater so this thread basically is an anti-pac thread.
Second, there's no provision that you can't win a title when you fight below 147. Besides, 145 was the weight they have agreed upon during weigh-in; definitely not the weight when they fought. Both of them were over 147 when they fought so how could this be not a 147 fight? You will see the logic if you'll remove your hate on Pac.
First point Bollox to the highlighted section.
Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.
List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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brucelee
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purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
First of all, you are a hater so this thread basically is an anti-pac thread.
Second, there's no provision that you can't win a title when you fight below 147. Besides, 145 was the weight they have agreed upon during weigh-in; definitely not the weight when they fought. Both of them were over 147 when they fought so how could this be not a 147 fight? You will see the logic if you'll remove your hate on Pac.
Really? During the weigh in they said "Hey how about 145 Cotto?"
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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jamiebhoy
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brucelee
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purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
First of all, you are a hater so this thread basically is an anti-pac thread.
Second, there's no provision that you can't win a title when you fight below 147. Besides, 145 was the weight they have agreed upon during weigh-in; definitely not the weight when they fought. Both of them were over 147 when they fought so how could this be not a 147 fight? You will see the logic if you'll remove your hate on Pac.
First point Bollox to the highlighted section.
Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.
List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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brucelee
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jamiebhoy
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brucelee
First of all, you are a hater so this thread basically is an anti-pac thread.
Second, there's no provision that you can't win a title when you fight below 147. Besides, 145 was the weight they have agreed upon during weigh-in; definitely not the weight when they fought. Both of them were over 147 when they fought so how could this be not a 147 fight? You will see the logic if you'll remove your hate on Pac.
First point Bollox to the highlighted section.
Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.
List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X
Well obviously anything that is or can be negative against Pac and the pac/nut hugers will call you a hater. :lickish:
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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brucelee
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jamiebhoy
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brucelee
First of all, you are a hater so this thread basically is an anti-pac thread.
Second, there's no provision that you can't win a title when you fight below 147. Besides, 145 was the weight they have agreed upon during weigh-in; definitely not the weight when they fought. Both of them were over 147 when they fought so how could this be not a 147 fight? You will see the logic if you'll remove your hate on Pac.
First point Bollox to the highlighted section.
Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.
List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X
You refer to the thread being an anti pac thread then you refer me to one person in the thread , i don't hate Pac, so should i leave the thread as i may have changes it from anti pac. And your little symbol is very big of you thanks for that :-X very adult of you.
My Bollox comment was in response to you saying a broad comment about the thread. my addition of a link was to help people not sute where the weight limits lie.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
I don't understand how "so-called" boxing cant understand weight limits.
There limits!!! They are maximum weights. A fighter weighting 95lbs can theoretically fight another fighter weighing 95lbs for EVERY single weight devision title.
YOu only have to be less then the maiximum weight per division to fight for the title.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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purtyboy
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brucelee
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jamiebhoy
First point Bollox to the highlighted section.
Here's a link re the weight classes, no one is arguing really that Pac is WW champion, what the point is, is that he is dictating what weight his opponent comes in at , that's not how it works. The sanctioning bodies recognise the classes and should stop supporting catch weights.
List of boxing weight classes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X
Well obviously anything that is or can be negative against Pac and the pac/nut hugers will call you a hater. :lickish:
Yeah, I may be a fan of Manny but I will say negative things about him when I see his faults. It's clear that you're trying to undermine the belt Manny is currently holding. Why can't you for one moment try to stop on the hating and recognize that there is one great fighter among us.
Sorry but I can't consider yet your boy Mayweather as great because he hasn't really fought a great fight in the current weight he's in. IMO.
I know, Mayweather will be the most difficult fight Pac will have because of styles but that makes him a great fighter. He fights despite the risk. He fights despite the slim chance of success. That's why many of us here have become his fans. You may call me nuthugger because I have been his fan since day one here but Pac has proven already that I'm not wrong for hugging him.lol
If it would be possible though, stop undermining Pac's achievements. It makes you look like a hater of Pac and a hugger of PBF. I don't know which is worse.:-X
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brucelee
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purtyboy
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brucelee
Regarding the first point, read purtyboy's posts and you will see what I mean.:-X
Well obviously anything that is or can be negative against Pac and the pac/nut hugers will call you a hater. :lickish:
Yeah, I may be a fan of Manny but I will say negative things about him when I see his faults. It's clear that you're trying to undermine the belt Manny is currently holding. Why can't you for one moment try to stop on the hating and recognize that there is one great fighter among us.
Sorry but I can't consider yet your boy Mayweather as great because he hasn't really fought a great fight in the current weight he's in. IMO.
I know, Mayweather will be the most difficult fight Pac will have because of styles but that makes him a great fighter. He fights despite the risk. He fights despite the slim chance of success. That's why many of us here have become his fans. You may call me nuthugger because I have been his fan since day one here but Pac has proven already that
I'm not wrong for hugging him.lol
If it would be possible though, stop undermining Pac's achievements. It makes you look like a hater of Pac and a hugger of PBF. I don't know which is worse.:-X
lmfao ^... Im not undermining Pacquiaos achivements.. Pacquiao is a great fighter i have stated that before.. When Mayweather came in 2 pounds over weight on Marquez i ranted about it here, i also said how Mayweather called Mosley over and then blamed him for ruining his interview im not a hugger just a huge fan of his skill but i will speak out when he is wrong... this is a weight issue many people here agree with me that the pac should not dictate what weight his opponent should come in when the welter max limit is 147...
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I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
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blegit
I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the bullcrap that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
:appl: Finally a pac fan that is not a hugger... wow not many around here.. Great post man
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blegit
I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the bullcrap that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
Boxing is quite horrendous when you sit back and look at what goes on.
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)
Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.
and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
blegit
I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
LOL
that is FALSE. barrera was the CHAMPION.
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF all of their champion were beaten by hamed in a particular period who then loses it to Barrera. Barrera also was able to beat Morales for the WBC version but dumps it immediately.
Barrera was recognized as the TRUE/Lineal/RING Featherweight Champion.
The fighter is the Featherweight Champion NOT the ALPHABET ORG. so when they part who ends up the champion? the fighter or the Aplhabet ORG?
Im sure this was posted millions of times already.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)
Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.
and you said how is it possible?
well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!
That Leonard multi-weight class fight was THE biggest BS set up in the history of boxing. How do you fight in two weight classes for the same fight? It's ridiculous.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)
Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.
and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!
Well i get how it's possible but why is that rule allowed is what im saying.. i remember Hopkins but we all knew Oscar would lose.. the sugar ray LHW lmao thats crazy man totally unfair.. i had forgotten about that wow.. insane
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...
Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)
Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.
and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!
Well i get how it's possible but why is that rule allowed is what im saying.. i remember Hopkins but we all knew Oscar would lose.. the sugar ray LHW lmao thats crazy man totally unfair.. i had forgotten about that wow.. insane
I hate the 145 catchweight also. But you can defend it TECHNICALLY because the WELTERWEIGHT division is anywhere from 141 to 147lbs.
but the Leonard 175lbs title is really b_ullshit. its like
Amir Khan fighting Shane Mosley at 140lbs. and both WBA 140 and 147 belts are on the line!!! WTF?!!!! ;D
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
Oscar lost to Hopkins but their contract says Hopkins should make the 157lbs limit ;)
Oscar - 155, Hopkins - 156 during the weigh in.
and you said how is it possible? well SRL won a 175lbs belt from a 175lbs title holder. while forcing that title holder to make the Super Middleweight limit of 168lbs!
Well i get how it's possible but why is that rule allowed is what im saying.. i remember Hopkins but we all knew Oscar would lose.. the sugar ray LHW lmao thats crazy man totally unfair.. i had forgotten about that wow.. insane
I hate the 145 catchweight also. But you can defend it TECHNICALLY because the WELTERWEIGHT division is anywhere from 141 to 147lbs.
but the Leonard 175lbs title is really b_ullshit. its like
Amir Khan fighting Shane Mosley at 140lbs. and both WBA 140 and 147 belts are on the line!!! WTF?!!!! ;D
Haha good point
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
blegit
I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
LOL
that is FALSE. barrera was the CHAMPION.
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF all of their champion were beaten by hamed in a particular period who then loses it to Barrera. Barrera also was able to beat Morales for the WBC version but dumps it immediately.
Barrera was recognized as the TRUE/Lineal/RING Featherweight Champion.
The fighter is the Featherweight Champion NOT the ALPHABET ORG. so when they part who ends up the champion? the fighter or the Aplhabet ORG?
Im sure this was posted millions of times already.
I know Barrera was considered the peoples champion but JMM had 2 belts. What belts did Pacquiao get at 126? Otherwise the champ is just a popular opinion.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
blegit
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
blegit
I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the world champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the phoniness that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
LOL
that is FALSE. barrera was the CHAMPION.
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF all of their champion were beaten by hamed in a particular period who then loses it to Barrera. Barrera also was able to beat Morales for the WBC version but dumps it immediately.
Barrera was recognized as the TRUE/Lineal/RING Featherweight Champion.
The fighter is the Featherweight Champion NOT the ALPHABET ORG. so when they part who ends up the champion? the fighter or the Aplhabet ORG?
Im sure this was posted millions of times already.
I know Barrera was considered the peoples champion but JMM had 2 belts. What belts did Pacquiao get at 126? Otherwise the champ is just a popular opinion.
Barrera was the lineal champ. THE man.
To further strengthen Miron Lang's explanation - you can trace the "man who beat the man" through Hamed to Wilfredo Vazquez. So there really is no doubt Pac was THE true featherweight champion after beating Barrera. ;)
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
The thread starter is not really bright.
141-147 is WW. 141 is the minimum, 147 is the max.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
purtyboy
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Originally Posted by
blegit
I am a healthy fan of Pac. But I know this is going to rile up the Pac fanatics against me. But lets be honest and actually not ignore the facts when it comes to Pac this time. This was just a ploy to make history by way of 7 division titles. This conformed to Pac just like one of his so called belts is actually the Ring Magazine belt. At featherweight, JMM was the champion and they fought to a draw so JMM remained the champion. Pac was never a featherweight champion! It was JMM. But because the Ring Magazine, yeah a magazine champ, labeled Pac their champ this somehow counts as a divisional champ and sets it possible to make history. One of the 7 divisional belts of Pac's came by way of catchweight and one came by way of magazine. Like I said I am a Pac fan but I do not suppress the truth(and risk becoming a Pactard:D). But I have been involved with boxing since I was 5 thats why I keep defending it but the bullcrap that comes with boxing is worse than any other sport.
:appl: Finally a pac fan that is not a hugger... wow not many around here.. Great post man
LOL. I don't remember blegit being a Pac fan here. ;D;D;D
Take it from me. I'm the original pacfan here.:cool:
All pacfans are huggers and when they are proven correct they become boxing geniuses vice-versa for Pac haters.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
i mean...
straight up/...
straight up straight up straight up
im fucking blasted out of my mind
but TECHNICALLY arent u al;lowed to come in under weight?
i mean i think its ionly disallowed to come in over weight
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
SalTheButcher
i mean...
straight up/...
straight up straight up straight up
im fucking blasted out of my mind
but TECHNICALLY arent u al;lowed to come in under weight?
i mean i think its ionly disallowed to come in over weight
hahahahahaa
As if this have never happened before.
Chavez - Whitaker
DLH - Hopkins
Leonard - Lalonde
ALL have contracted weights.
((( THIS ))))
Just 20 months ago on March 15, 2008 Pacquiao was 129lbs againts JMM for the WBC Superfeatherweight Title.
and on
April 12, 2008 Miguel Cotto was 146.5 againts Alfonso Gomez for the WBA Welterweight Title.
That's a difference of 3 DIVISION. During this time. If you were told that Manny pacquiao and Miguel Cotto will fight. at what weight you think it will be fair?????? :)
See how 145 is so unfair to pacquiao? :D
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
Very Easy: Elect Valcarcel, Sulaiman or Bob lee Singer at the head of your alphabetic order, they'll find a solution for you.
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
SalTheButcher
i mean...
straight up/...
straight up straight up straight up
im fucking blasted out of my mind
but TECHNICALLY arent u al;lowed to come in under weight?
i mean i think its ionly disallowed to come in over weight
hahahahahaa
As if this have never happened before.
Chavez - Whitaker
DLH - Hopkins
Leonard - Lalonde
ALL have contracted weights.
((( THIS ))))
Just 20 months ago on
March 15, 2008 Pacquiao was 129lbs againts JMM for the WBC Superfeatherweight Title.
and on
April 12, 2008 Miguel Cotto was 146.5 againts Alfonso Gomez for the WBA Welterweight Title.
That's a difference of 3 DIVISION. During this time. If you were told that Manny pacquiao and Miguel Cotto will fight. at what weight you think it will be fair?????? :)
See how 145 is so unfair to pacquiao? :D
i think a Calderon/Mayweather fight would be awesome, only thing is Floyd needs to shrivel down to 110 lbs, you know so that it'll be fair to Pac, i mean Calderon :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Re: How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
SalTheButcher
i mean...
straight up/...
straight up straight up straight up
im fucking blasted out of my mind
but TECHNICALLY arent u al;lowed to come in under weight?
i mean i think its ionly disallowed to come in over weight
hahahahahaa
As if this have never happened before.
Chavez - Whitaker
DLH - Hopkins
Leonard - Lalonde
ALL have contracted weights.
((( THIS ))))
Just 20 months ago on
March 15, 2008 Pacquiao was 129lbs againts JMM for the WBC Superfeatherweight Title.
and on
April 12, 2008 Miguel Cotto was 146.5 againts Alfonso Gomez for the WBA Welterweight Title.
That's a difference of 3 DIVISION. During this time. If you were told that Manny pacquiao and Miguel Cotto will fight. at what weight you think it will be fair?????? :)
See how 145 is so unfair to pacquiao? :D
i think a Calderon/Mayweather fight would be awesome, only thing is Floyd needs to shrivel down to 110 lbs, you know so that it'll be fair to Pac, i mean Calderon :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
That doesnt make sense ;)
Calderon = 108
Floyd = 147
Difference = 9 DIvisions.
Fight should be at 130. Who'll win it?
Proper example is :
Floyd vs Humberto Sotto
For the fight to be fair they should fight at 135.
145 For Cotto is more than fair. He always tips in at 146. only haters can find a way to critize the 145 contracted weight. EVERYBODY didnt know Pac will perform the way he did. That's why Roach asked for 145. They'll find COtto at 147 even.
