Boxrec make JMM No1 Lightweight. Who agrees?

[Kev]

Bilbo, what does Pac beating Marquez (which he didn't ) at 130 have to do with Marquez beating THE MAN Joel Casamayor at 135?

I think Marquez beat Pac twice. I rate Marquez a BETTER fighter than Pac. But i respect the offical decision, so Pac has the victory.

For Pac to be no.1 at lightweight he should have fought, and beat, Casa not Diaz. Simple as

Fenster I agree with everything you are saying except for the JMM is better than Pac! Both fights were too close to call for me and could have gone either way but that to me is just because stylistically JMM is a nightmare for Pac. But if you were to have a little league with say a prime Morales, prime Barrera, prime JMM and prime Pac I would predict it to be like this:

1)Manny Pacquiao W-2 L-0 D-1 Pts-7
2)Marco Barrera W-2 L-1 D-0 Pts-6
3)Erik Morales W-1 L-2 D-0 Pts-3
4)JM Marquez W-0 L-2 D-1 Pts-1

My league is set up in a football type style with 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and this is honestly how I would see it panning out. I see both Barrera and Morales beating JMM in their primes and I do not believe you can use the existing fight between JMM and Barrera as Barrera was way past his best but still gave a good account of himself and who knows what would have happened had Jay Nady not been in charge that night.

I'll say this much. In Morales, Barrera, Pacquaio and Marquez we have seen superstar fighters to rival Leonard, Hearns, Hagler and Duran.

The way they have all started at the lower weights and consistently moved up to dominate whatever divisions they were in over the past decade or more has been sensational.

From bantam to lightweight these guys have dominated and should go down in history as the great little guys quartet in boxing history.

Boxing will be much the emptier when all four of these legends finally call it a day.

[rjj tszyu]

Bilbo, what does Pac beating Marquez (which he didn't ) at 130 have to do with Marquez beating THE MAN Joel Casamayor at 135?

I think Marquez beat Pac twice. I rate Marquez a BETTER fighter than Pac. But i respect the offical decision, so Pac has the victory.

For Pac to be no.1 at lightweight he should have fought, and beat, Casa not Diaz. Simple as

Fenster I agree with everything you are saying except for the JMM is better than Pac! Both fights were too close to call for me and could have gone either way but that to me is just because stylistically JMM is a nightmare for Pac. But if you were to have a little league with say a prime Morales, prime Barrera, prime JMM and prime Pac I would predict it to be like this:

1)Manny Pacquiao W-2 L-0 D-1 Pts-7
2)Marco Barrera W-2 L-1 D-0 Pts-6
3)Erik Morales W-1 L-2 D-0 Pts-3
4)JM Marquez W-0 L-2 D-1 Pts-1

My league is set up in a football type style with 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and this is honestly how I would see it panning out. I see both Barrera and Morales beating JMM in their primes and I do not believe you can use the existing fight between JMM and Barrera as Barrera was way past his best but still gave a good account of himself and who knows what would have happened had Jay Nady not been in charge that night.

I'll say this much. In Morales, Barrera, Pacquaio and Marquez we have seen superstar fighters to rival Leonard, Hearns, Hagler and Duran.

The way they have all started at the lower weights and consistently moved up to dominate whatever divisions they were in over the past decade or more has been sensational.

From bantam to lightweight these guys have dominated and should go down in history as the great little guys quartet in boxing history.

Boxing will be much the emptier when all four of these legends finally call it a day.

Amen to that

[Fenster]

Fenster I agree with everything you are saying except for the JMM is better than Pac! Both fights were too close to call for me and could have gone either way but that to me is just because stylistically JMM is a nightmare for Pac. But if you were to have a little league with say a prime Morales, prime Barrera, prime JMM and prime Pac I would predict it to be like this:

1)Manny Pacquiao W-2 L-0 D-1 Pts-7
2)Marco Barrera W-2 L-1 D-0 Pts-6
3)Erik Morales W-1 L-2 D-0 Pts-3
4)JM Marquez W-0 L-2 D-1 Pts-1

My league is set up in a football type style with 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and this is honestly how I would see it panning out. I see both Barrera and Morales beating JMM in their primes and I do not believe you can use the existing fight between JMM and Barrera as Barrera was way past his best but still gave a good account of himself and who knows what would have happened had Jay Nady not been in charge that night.

I don't have a problem with Pac getting the decision over Marquez, they were close fights, I just feel Marquez won both. That makes Marquez better than Pac without meaning better overall career wise. I think Barrera overall is a better fighter than Pac yet fully respect Pac beat him twice (i'm stopping with this stuff before I confuse myself ).