Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
This is such a nonsense argument.

Manny and Marquez are the same size appox and as has been said earlier what matters is the weight they actually fight at, not weigh in at.

There will be no more than a couple pounds natural weight difference either way, certainly nowhere the 17 lb disasvantage Manny overcame to batter Margarito.

I just love the mental gymnastics and ridiculous logic you haters have to spout at us in order to avoid the obvious elephant in the room.

Manny was able to move up and beat Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley because right now he is a better fighter than Marquez.

All of this weight bullshit is just a weak attempt to veil the obvious.

Manny is a beast at welterweight, it's where he now belongs. If Marquez wants to challenge him for a third time he should do what Manny has had to do and move up for fuck's sake.

All of this 'Manny must move down for it to be a fair fight' is just a display of your true feelings, being that you just want to see Manny lose.
Is the fight not at 144, what are you arguing about Bilbo?

You have your wish, a man who has grown into the weight with speed and power fighting another man way out of his ideal weight.

If it was to be a fair fight then Marquez would be allowed to weigh in at 140 and Manny the same, they could then rehydrate to what they like. But what we have here instead is a man quite used to weighing in at this weight and another man who isn't and has no track record at the weight.

What I propose is an even playing field. One man comes down and another man goes up, but what we now have is one man who has built his frame and is used to the weight and another man who now has to start from scratch much like against PBF.

It is an immediate disadvantage.
He's agreed to come down to 144. That's in line with the other fighters Manny fought, like Cotto and Margarito who you all said were massively weight drained corpses as a result of this cruel, manipulative cheating by team Pacman.

How can you with a straight face claim it was wrong for Manny to fight bigger guys at catchweight as the advantage was too strongly in his favour and now when he himself is giving up weight argue that once again it is in his favour.

The point you are missing is that the reason you always think it favours Pac is because of the result, i.e he destroys everybody he fights.

Now to unbiased observer this would be a sign of his greatness, but as you have already rejected that notion 'a priori' you have to reject that self evident conclusion and instead go with weight manipulation. Manny is amazing at 147 because he merely adjusts to the weight better than Marquez who, despite being better than Manny cannot fight bigger men as well because of some unfortunate makeup in his biochemistry,

It's absurd.

Both men will likely weigh in within a pound of each on the night, you are just already making excuses to detract from Manny's coming win.