Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

[IamInuit]

If they both come into the ring at the same weight then I can't complain really, but Marquez having to weigh in so much heavier than at any time beyond Mayweather and being so much older makes me fear the worst.

As a boxing fan, all I want to see is good fights and that basically means a few compromises to give the fans a great fight and in return the fighters take home their massive paychecks.

What I don't like is fighters who have become too powerful picking and choosing their opponents and playing games with weights. And that is what Manny has become. In time it will cloud his greatness.

Marquez can weigh in at 141. My Lord he was a lightweight fighting at feather. At fight time they are a pound or two different. So what?

They should certainly have something in the contract stipulating that on the day neither man be allowed to weigh more than 146 pounds. I just see Marquez putting on that weight as an older man and Manny having already done so as a younger man. Manny is the naturally bigger fighter now. If this wasn't the case then he would have been fighting at LW himself. Manny is a proven WW, whilst Marquez is a proven LW.

Any sensible person can agree that a 140 weigh in would have been fair, what we currently have are the scales turned in Manny's favour. Still, what's done is done.

Manny is not the bigger fighter. He has chosen to fight at a bigger weight. Marquez weighed 148 I think against Katsidis. The weight difference thing to be honest is taxing on the frontal lobe. Their is no weight difference.

[Gandalf]

If they both come into the ring at the same weight then I can't complain really, but Marquez having to weigh in so much heavier than at any time beyond Mayweather and being so much older makes me fear the worst.

As a boxing fan, all I want to see is good fights and that basically means a few compromises to give the fans a great fight and in return the fighters take home their massive paychecks.

What I don't like is fighters who have become too powerful picking and choosing their opponents and playing games with weights. And that is what Manny has become. In time it will cloud his greatness.

Marquez can weigh in at 141. My Lord he was a lightweight fighting at feather. At fight time they are a pound or two different. So what?

They should certainly have something in the contract stipulating that on the day neither man be allowed to weigh more than 146 pounds. I just see Marquez putting on that weight as an older man and Manny having already done so as a younger man. Manny is the naturally bigger fighter now. If this wasn't the case then he would have been fighting at LW himself. Manny is a proven WW, whilst Marquez is a proven LW.

Any sensible person can agree that a 140 weigh in would have been fair, what we currently have are the scales turned in Manny's favour. Still, what's done is done.

Manny is not the bigger fighter. He has chosen to fight at a bigger weight. Marquez weighed 148 I think against Katsidis. The weight difference thing to be honest is taxing on the frontal lobe. Their is no weight difference.

He is though, it might be artificial size as he is basically eating a small child for every meal, but by doing that he is the bigger man. Pac will come in extremely muscular, if Marquez comes in at 148 that is because of liquids gained. If Marquez weighs in at 144, then that means he will have bulked up and will be slower. We have seen it before. Manny has the proven track record, Marquez doesn't.

I maintain my argument, the only way to even it out was for it to be at 140. What we now have is Manny taking all the advantages. It is shameful really.

[IamInuit]

If they both come into the ring at the same weight then I can't complain really, but Marquez having to weigh in so much heavier than at any time beyond Mayweather and being so much older makes me fear the worst.

As a boxing fan, all I want to see is good fights and that basically means a few compromises to give the fans a great fight and in return the fighters take home their massive paychecks.

What I don't like is fighters who have become too powerful picking and choosing their opponents and playing games with weights. And that is what Manny has become. In time it will cloud his greatness.

Marquez can weigh in at 141. My Lord he was a lightweight fighting at feather. At fight time they are a pound or two different. So what?

They should certainly have something in the contract stipulating that on the day neither man be allowed to weigh more than 146 pounds. I just see Marquez putting on that weight as an older man and Manny having already done so as a younger man. Manny is the naturally bigger fighter now. If this wasn't the case then he would have been fighting at LW himself. Manny is a proven WW, whilst Marquez is a proven LW.

Any sensible person can agree that a 140 weigh in would have been fair, what we currently have are the scales turned in Manny's favour. Still, what's done is done.

Manny is not the bigger fighter. He has chosen to fight at a bigger weight. Marquez weighed 148 I think against Katsidis. The weight difference thing to be honest is taxing on the frontal lobe. Their is no weight difference.

He is though, it might be artificial size as he is basically eating a small child for every meal, but by doing that he is the bigger man. Pac will come in extremely muscular, if Marquez comes in at 148 that is because of liquids gained. If Marquez weighs in at 144, then that means he will have bulked up and will be slower. We have seen it before. Manny has the proven track record, Marquez doesn't.

I maintain my argument, the only way to even it out was for it to be at 140. What we now have is Manny taking all the advantages. It is shameful really.

He is not the bigger man and the facts support it. Marquez walks around at the same weight as Manny and fights a couple of divisions under. Something like Manny did. This Manny is bigger then Marquez is the biggest urban legend today. It all goes to show you that if you say something patently false enough times certain folks will buy it. That does not change the fact that the yarn is bullshit. Maintain it then. Let your opinion cloud the facts of the matter.

[Gandalf]

If they both come into the ring at the same weight then I can't complain really, but Marquez having to weigh in so much heavier than at any time beyond Mayweather and being so much older makes me fear the worst.

As a boxing fan, all I want to see is good fights and that basically means a few compromises to give the fans a great fight and in return the fighters take home their massive paychecks.

What I don't like is fighters who have become too powerful picking and choosing their opponents and playing games with weights. And that is what Manny has become. In time it will cloud his greatness.

Marquez can weigh in at 141. My Lord he was a lightweight fighting at feather. At fight time they are a pound or two different. So what?

They should certainly have something in the contract stipulating that on the day neither man be allowed to weigh more than 146 pounds. I just see Marquez putting on that weight as an older man and Manny having already done so as a younger man. Manny is the naturally bigger fighter now. If this wasn't the case then he would have been fighting at LW himself. Manny is a proven WW, whilst Marquez is a proven LW.

Any sensible person can agree that a 140 weigh in would have been fair, what we currently have are the scales turned in Manny's favour. Still, what's done is done.

Manny is not the bigger fighter. He has chosen to fight at a bigger weight. Marquez weighed 148 I think against Katsidis. The weight difference thing to be honest is taxing on the frontal lobe. Their is no weight difference.

He is though, it might be artificial size as he is basically eating a small child for every meal, but by doing that he is the bigger man. Pac will come in extremely muscular, if Marquez comes in at 148 that is because of liquids gained. If Marquez weighs in at 144, then that means he will have bulked up and will be slower. We have seen it before. Manny has the proven track record, Marquez doesn't.

I maintain my argument, the only way to even it out was for it to be at 140. What we now have is Manny taking all the advantages. It is shameful really.

He is not the bigger man and the facts support it. Marquez walks around at the same weight as Manny and fights a couple of divisions under. Something like Manny did. This Manny is bigger then Marquez is the biggest urban legend today. It all goes to show you that if you say something patently false enough times certain folks will buy it. That does not change the fact that the yarn is bullshit. Maintain it then. Let your opinion cloud the facts of the matter.

I don't know what weight either guy is walking around at and neither do you. We can make assumptions though. Clearly they are closer in weight to one another than they are to Ricky Hatton, but anything more is guesswork.

If one fighter regularly fights at 135 and the other at 147, then one guy is obviously bigger than the other. They are operating on quite distinct levels, they have different playgrounds. One plays on the big slide, the other one plays on the smaller one.

That's why if they are to play together you should find a medium sized slide so neither is too far outside their comfort zone. You don't just say "Oi you, get on this big slide if you want to play with me!".

[miron_lang]

If one fighter regularly fights at 135 and the other at 147, then one guy is obviously bigger than the other.

Not always and WRONG in Pac-JMM case.

Pac fights at 147 because there's more money there and he has the attribute to be successfull despite being smaller.

JMM's attributes magnifies 10 times when fighting someone like Pacquiao but that doesnt mean he'll be as successfull as Pacquiao @147

[generalbulldog]

If they both come into the ring at the same weight then I can't complain really, but Marquez having to weigh in so much heavier than at any time beyond Mayweather and being so much older makes me fear the worst.

As a boxing fan, all I want to see is good fights and that basically means a few compromises to give the fans a great fight and in return the fighters take home their massive paychecks.

What I don't like is fighters who have become too powerful picking and choosing their opponents and playing games with weights. And that is what Manny has become. In time it will cloud his greatness.

Marquez can weigh in at 141. My Lord he was a lightweight fighting at feather. At fight time they are a pound or two different. So what?

They should certainly have something in the contract stipulating that on the day neither man be allowed to weigh more than 146 pounds. I just see Marquez putting on that weight as an older man and Manny having already done so as a younger man. Manny is the naturally bigger fighter now. If this wasn't the case then he would have been fighting at LW himself. Manny is a proven WW, whilst Marquez is a proven LW.

Any sensible person can agree that a 140 weigh in would have been fair, what we currently have are the scales turned in Manny's favour. Still, what's done is done.

Manny is not the bigger fighter. He has chosen to fight at a bigger weight. Marquez weighed 148 I think against Katsidis. The weight difference thing to be honest is taxing on the frontal lobe. Their is no weight difference.

He is though, it might be artificial size as he is basically eating a small child for every meal, but by doing that he is the bigger man. Pac will come in extremely muscular, if Marquez comes in at 148 that is because of liquids gained. If Marquez weighs in at 144, then that means he will have bulked up and will be slower. We have seen it before. Manny has the proven track record, Marquez doesn't.

I maintain my argument, the only way to even it out was for it to be at 140. What we now have is Manny taking all the advantages. It is shameful really.

He is not the bigger man and the facts support it. Marquez walks around at the same weight as Manny and fights a couple of divisions under. Something like Manny did. This Manny is bigger then Marquez is the biggest urban legend today. It all goes to show you that if you say something patently false enough times certain folks will buy it. That does not change the fact that the yarn is bullshit. Maintain it then. Let your opinion cloud the facts of the matter.

I don't know what weight either guy is walking around at and neither do you. We can make assumptions though. Clearly they are closer in weight to one another than they are to Ricky Hatton, but anything more is guesswork.

If one fighter regularly fights at 135 and the other at 147, then one guy is obviously bigger than the other. They are operating on quite distinct levels, they have different playgrounds. One plays on the big slide, the other one plays on the smaller one.

That's why if they are to play together you should find a medium sized slide so neither is too far outside their comfort zone. You don't just say "Oi you, get on this big slide if you want to play with me!".

Actually no, it means that one guy is just more talented than the other in handling bigger guys. FLoyd Mayweather was 147 on fight night against Carlos Baldomir even smaller than what JMM weighed against Katsidis on fightnight, if JMM was indeed 148.

So are you going to tell me that 148 is smaller than 147? BTW, a fighter's fight night weight is his true fighting weight inside that boxing ring, not the scale weight. Hence why you have quite a few people saying that it's much better to go back to same day weigh ins to even out this discrepancy.

[Gandalf]

If they both come into the ring at the same weight then I can't complain really, but Marquez having to weigh in so much heavier than at any time beyond Mayweather and being so much older makes me fear the worst.

As a boxing fan, all I want to see is good fights and that basically means a few compromises to give the fans a great fight and in return the fighters take home their massive paychecks.

What I don't like is fighters who have become too powerful picking and choosing their opponents and playing games with weights. And that is what Manny has become. In time it will cloud his greatness.

Marquez can weigh in at 141. My Lord he was a lightweight fighting at feather. At fight time they are a pound or two different. So what?

They should certainly have something in the contract stipulating that on the day neither man be allowed to weigh more than 146 pounds. I just see Marquez putting on that weight as an older man and Manny having already done so as a younger man. Manny is the naturally bigger fighter now. If this wasn't the case then he would have been fighting at LW himself. Manny is a proven WW, whilst Marquez is a proven LW.

Any sensible person can agree that a 140 weigh in would have been fair, what we currently have are the scales turned in Manny's favour. Still, what's done is done.

Manny is not the bigger fighter. He has chosen to fight at a bigger weight. Marquez weighed 148 I think against Katsidis. The weight difference thing to be honest is taxing on the frontal lobe. Their is no weight difference.

He is though, it might be artificial size as he is basically eating a small child for every meal, but by doing that he is the bigger man. Pac will come in extremely muscular, if Marquez comes in at 148 that is because of liquids gained. If Marquez weighs in at 144, then that means he will have bulked up and will be slower. We have seen it before. Manny has the proven track record, Marquez doesn't.

I maintain my argument, the only way to even it out was for it to be at 140. What we now have is Manny taking all the advantages. It is shameful really.

He is not the bigger man and the facts support it. Marquez walks around at the same weight as Manny and fights a couple of divisions under. Something like Manny did. This Manny is bigger then Marquez is the biggest urban legend today. It all goes to show you that if you say something patently false enough times certain folks will buy it. That does not change the fact that the yarn is bullshit. Maintain it then. Let your opinion cloud the facts of the matter.

I don't know what weight either guy is walking around at and neither do you. We can make assumptions though. Clearly they are closer in weight to one another than they are to Ricky Hatton, but anything more is guesswork.

If one fighter regularly fights at 135 and the other at 147, then one guy is obviously bigger than the other. They are operating on quite distinct levels, they have different playgrounds. One plays on the big slide, the other one plays on the smaller one.

That's why if they are to play together you should find a medium sized slide so neither is too far outside their comfort zone. You don't just say "Oi you, get on this big slide if you want to play with me!".

Actually no, it means that one guy is just more talented than the other in handling bigger guys. FLoyd Mayweather was 147 on fight night against Carlos Baldomir even smaller than what JMM weighed against Katsidis on fightnight, if JMM was indeed 148.

So are you going to tell me that 148 is smaller than 147? BTW, a fighter's fight night weight is his true fighting weight inside that boxing ring, not the scale weight. Hence why you have quite a few people saying that it's much better to go back to same day weigh ins to even out this discrepancy.

Probably true. Manny has a proven record of dealing with bigger men whilst Marquez has no such track record. I agree strongly with your final point too. The only way to really have men of equal size facing each other is the same day weigh in, obviously that is never going to happen though.