The reason he hasn't looked anywhere near losing is because he hasn't been with anyone with world class. Once he faces a world class fighter, he will get exposed as he is too one dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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The reason he hasn't looked anywhere near losing is because he hasn't been with anyone with world class. Once he faces a world class fighter, he will get exposed as he is too one dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
This is where your knowledge of John Murray lets you down mate go check his fight against the Didsbury Ice cream man driver called Al Hamidi. Never looked like loosing you say? Just go check that fight out it's on youtube. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
i may watch it dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983This is where your knowledge of John Murray lets you down mate go check his fight against the Didsbury Ice cream man driver called Al Hamidi. Never looked like loosing you say? Just go check that fight out it's on youtube. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
is it really a massive dent in his record?
every post i read on here is suggesting John Murray has no chance, well i think it is my knowledge of John Murray that seems to be better than anyone elses because he does have a chance, a very good chance and im looking forward to it
Not having a dig mate, yu are a funny guy, but I don't think it is at all, to be honest I think on another night he could of lost that fight very close alot people think Al got robbed, people bring it up alot I don't think it has any relevance John looked under prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i may watch it dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983This is where your knowledge of John Murray lets you down mate go check his fight against the Didsbury Ice cream man driver called Al Hamidi. Never looked like loosing you say? Just go check that fight out it's on youtube. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
is it really a massive dent in his record?
every post i read on here is suggesting John Murray has no chance, well i think it is my knowledge of John Murray that seems to be better than anyone elses because he does have a chance, a very good chance and im looking forward to it
I mean we will have to agree to disagree, like I say I talk to John he is a great lad and his trainer Joe Gallagher both top blokes, but just because I no him I won't blow smoke up his arse, I really hope I am wrong with this one but I just can't see John winning against world class fighters with the tools he has got.
Except against 16-9-1 Miguel Munguia and 4-8-1 Youseff Al HamidiQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
Yeah that must be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i may watch it dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983This is where your knowledge of John Murray lets you down mate go check his fight against the Didsbury Ice cream man driver called Al Hamidi. Never looked like loosing you say? Just go check that fight out it's on youtube. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
is it really a massive dent in his record?
every post i read on here is suggesting John Murray has no chance, well i think it is my knowledge of John Murray that seems to be better than anyone elses because he does have a chance, a very good chance and im looking forward to it
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i may watch it dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983This is where your knowledge of John Murray lets you down mate go check his fight against the Didsbury Ice cream man driver called Al Hamidi. Never looked like loosing you say? Just go check that fight out it's on youtube. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
is it really a massive dent in his record?
every post i read on here is suggesting John Murray has no chance, well i think it is my knowledge of John Murray that seems to be better than anyone elses because he does have a chance, a very good chance and im looking forward to it
Yes that must be it, yesterday according to your knowledge he has passed every test and beat everyone and never look like loosing. :confused:
i dont think you could be anymore negative about itQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i may watch it dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983This is where your knowledge of John Murray lets you down mate go check his fight against the Didsbury Ice cream man driver called Al Hamidi. Never looked like loosing you say? Just go check that fight out it's on youtube. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think you are giving him anywhere near the credit he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who was arthur brutally exposed by? cook? gomez? ha funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
yes mitchell lost to katsidis, i dont think it ends his world class hopes tho, it was his first big fight and having been caught he tried to out brawl an experienced brawler of the highest brawling league, maybe with a bit more experience at a higher level he might have got through the round
he'll come again and could very well succeed at world level
Exactly Murray's resume is so shite ( no fault of his own ) he hasn't even faced anyone near the level of Cook or Gomez.
he has done everything asked and has never even looked anywhere near loosing
is it really a massive dent in his record?
every post i read on here is suggesting John Murray has no chance, well i think it is my knowledge of John Murray that seems to be better than anyone elses because he does have a chance, a very good chance and im looking forward to it
Yes that must be it, yesterday according to your knowledge he has passed every test and beat everyone and never look like loosing. :confused:
yesterday i was right, today im right, john murray has a very good chance at world level
I know it's Americans who are called daft but how many types does England have like Eric and Hammer stashed away?
I like John Murray, I haven't seen either of those fights but it's clear he isn't as talented as someone like Ortiz. I think the big thing is the weight too. I mean he would have to bully Ortiz and then make him quit but at 140 Ortiz is so much stronger, it probably just wouldn't happen like that. I think he's a very exciting fighter but the way to build him up and make him a better fighter isn't feeding him to the wolves, it's to accelerate his competition level and then like Skel says, let him get a fight with someone world class in 2 years. Very entertaining fighter to watch, like Skel I just think he doesn't have all the tools.
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Originally Posted by amat
no dude its the brits who are daft
rarely do they back their own, take football as a prime example, going into every world cup and european championships all i ever hear off all the fans is how england have no chance of winning anything and how rubbish they are, its so rare you get an english fan backing their team
all over this forum youve got brits slagging ricky hattons record, and slagging david haye and carl froch, and hating amir khan. If this is how they feel why do they watch boxing? these have been our premier fighters over the last few years
John Murray is a good fighter with a good chance at world level and you as american or whatever would be daft to think murray would come over there and be a walk over for a fighter like ortiz.
Ortiz lost to maidana, who in turn lost to kotelnik, is that really good enough form to say murray would be a walk over?
Murray will step up and when he does i am looking forward to it
Jesus man, you make Hammer look like Nat Fleischer! :o:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
no dude its the brits who are daft
rarely do they back their own, take football as a prime example, going into every world cup and european championships all i ever hear off all the fans is how england have no chance of winning anything and how rubbish they are, its so rare you get an english fan backing their team
all over this forum youve got brits slagging ricky hattons record, and slagging david haye and carl froch, and hating amir khan. If this is how they feel why do they watch boxing? these have been our premier fighters over the last few years
John Murray is a good fighter with a good chance at world level and you as american or whatever would be daft to think murray would come over there and be a walk over for a fighter like ortiz.
Ortiz lost to maidana, who in turn lost to kotelnik, is that really good enough form to say murray would be a walk over?
Murray will step up and when he does i am looking forward to it
I've bolded only the stupidest parts of your post here, which is hard because there's some right comedy gold in there.
Ortiz losing to Maidana & his loss to Kotelnik has no bearing on anything. I'd take both those guys to beat Murray at 140, Maidana would stop him horribly & Murray's style is tailor made for Kotelnik, even he might stop him. Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more technically skilled. Murray has heart, but that won't get you past the other guy just being all-round physically better.
I love the comment about why watch boxing? Some people actually appreciate the sport of boxing, and will root for fighters they enjoy watching over guys who happen to have been born in the same country. Not to say I don't often favour a Brit, but if I think a fighter is a cock such as Froch, I'm not going to root for him.
As for the comment about nobody thinking we'll win the World Cup :rotflmao:
Yeah, we're really restrained and pessimistic every time a big tournament rolls around :rolleyes:;D
you seem to be upset that i have the opinion that murray could beat ortiz?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinJesus man, you make Hammer look like Nat Fleischer! :o:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
no dude its the brits who are daft
rarely do they back their own, take football as a prime example, going into every world cup and european championships all i ever hear off all the fans is how england have no chance of winning anything and how rubbish they are, its so rare you get an english fan backing their team
all over this forum youve got brits slagging ricky hattons record, and slagging david haye and carl froch, and hating amir khan. If this is how they feel why do they watch boxing? these have been our premier fighters over the last few years
John Murray is a good fighter with a good chance at world level and you as american or whatever would be daft to think murray would come over there and be a walk over for a fighter like ortiz.
Ortiz lost to maidana, who in turn lost to kotelnik, is that really good enough form to say murray would be a walk over?
Murray will step up and when he does i am looking forward to it
I've bolded only the stupidest parts of your post here, which is hard because there's some right comedy gold in there.
Ortiz losing to Maidana & his loss to Kotelnik has no bearing on anything. I'd take both those guys to beat Murray at 140, Maidana would stop him horribly & Murray's style is tailor made for Kotelnik, even he might stop him. Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more technically skilled. Murray has heart, but that won't get you past the other guy just being all-round physically better.
I love the comment about why watch boxing? Some people actually appreciate the sport of boxing, and will root for fighters they enjoy watching over guys who happen to have been born in the same country. Not to say I don't often favour a Brit, but if I think a fighter is a cock such as Froch, I'm not going to root for him.
As for the comment about nobody thinking we'll win the World Cup :rotflmao:
Yeah, we're really restrained and pessimistic every time a big tournament rolls around :rolleyes:;D
tell me the truth, before the world cup if someone said to you can england win it what would your reply have been?
Eric why is he bothered if Ortiz beat Murray? You seem to have another agenda mate, you seem to pissed when a Brit fighter gets dismissed when being talked about at world level :confused:
I say how I see it, like Jaz I don't care where there from I am a boxing fan not a British patriot who gets dressed in my Union Jack tux and start claiming we have a gem on our hands when he can't even stop a super featherweight yourkshire man and needs the ref to stop it for him, this sounds like I am hating on John Murray far from it the guy is pure class but I don't talk shit because he is from the Uk.
John Murray is a decent pro whose style will come unstuck at world level especailly against someone like Ortiz, Murray hasn't even fought a top 40 fighter imo, hopefully he signs with Warren get him in with Mitchell and we will see what sort of level he is at.
But like i keep saying when he is struggling to get rid of European bums with 7 defeats and super featherweight English title holders and only stopping them because they are not fireing back and the ref is stepping in, he wasn't hurting these last two lads and they were basic fighters,John Murrays style at world level would only be succesful if he had some pop or some killer body shots but he just hasn't got the power for that, Ortiz and such woud and could out box him but they would also beat him at his own game he is not strong/powerful enough at that level to bully the likes of Ortiz/Marquez/Diaz/Rios.
read back through the thread dude, you said he would loose i said i thought he would win, and you got upset because i said you were wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
you still seem upset that i think he could win
and all this about liking boxing for boxing, thats all very very nice, well done
:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you seem to be upset that i have the opinion that murray could beat ortiz?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinJesus man, you make Hammer look like Nat Fleischer! :o:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
no dude its the brits who are daft
rarely do they back their own, take football as a prime example, going into every world cup and european championships all i ever hear off all the fans is how england have no chance of winning anything and how rubbish they are, its so rare you get an english fan backing their team
all over this forum youve got brits slagging ricky hattons record, and slagging david haye and carl froch, and hating amir khan. If this is how they feel why do they watch boxing? these have been our premier fighters over the last few years
John Murray is a good fighter with a good chance at world level and you as american or whatever would be daft to think murray would come over there and be a walk over for a fighter like ortiz.
Ortiz lost to maidana, who in turn lost to kotelnik, is that really good enough form to say murray would be a walk over?
Murray will step up and when he does i am looking forward to it
I've bolded only the stupidest parts of your post here, which is hard because there's some right comedy gold in there.
Ortiz losing to Maidana & his loss to Kotelnik has no bearing on anything. I'd take both those guys to beat Murray at 140, Maidana would stop him horribly & Murray's style is tailor made for Kotelnik, even he might stop him. Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more technically skilled. Murray has heart, but that won't get you past the other guy just being all-round physically better.
I love the comment about why watch boxing? Some people actually appreciate the sport of boxing, and will root for fighters they enjoy watching over guys who happen to have been born in the same country. Not to say I don't often favour a Brit, but if I think a fighter is a cock such as Froch, I'm not going to root for him.
As for the comment about nobody thinking we'll win the World Cup :rotflmao:
Yeah, we're really restrained and pessimistic every time a big tournament rolls around :rolleyes:;D
tell me the truth, before the world cup if someone said to you can england win it what would your reply have been?
Mate, your post couldn't upset me, I just think you're our new comic foil here, spouting silly opinions with half-baked justfications so I thought I'd join in the debate. Can you name some kind of skills/attributes that Murray has over Ortiz to beat him? As I said Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more skilled.
People did say to me before the most recent World Cup that England could win it & I disagreed but that was due to the quality of players and that I feel the likes of Terry, Lampard & Gerrard have been over-hyped in the EPL. If someone had said to me in 2002 that team could win the World Cup, I would have agreed because the team was more balanced imo & the opposition was on paper weaker. Amazingly it's not all a big anti-Brit conspiracy ;)
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Originally Posted by erics44read back through the thread dude, you said he would loose i said i thought he would win, and you got upset because i said you were wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
you still seem upset that i think he could win
and all this about liking boxing for boxing, thats all very very nice, well done
Upset lol
Mate this is what this place is about opinions and debates, but when your arguement is as weak as yours, the debate like this thread has gone on and on that is all mate, nothing personal.
ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
if you say you wasnt upset then you mustnt have been upset :)Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44read back through the thread dude, you said he would loose i said i thought he would win, and you got upset because i said you were wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
you still seem upset that i think he could win
and all this about liking boxing for boxing, thats all very very nice, well done
Upset lol
Mate this is what this place is about opinions and debates, but when your arguement is as weak as yours, the debate like this thread has gone on and on that is all mate, nothing personal.
"but when your arguement is as weak as yours" doesnt sound like someone who is happy with the way the conversation has gone
i think your argument is weak, think about that?
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Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Mate, I'm really not trying to take the piss, but how old are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if you say you wasnt upset then you mustnt have been upset :)Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44read back through the thread dude, you said he would loose i said i thought he would win, and you got upset because i said you were wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
you still seem upset that i think he could win
and all this about liking boxing for boxing, thats all very very nice, well done
Upset lol
Mate this is what this place is about opinions and debates, but when your arguement is as weak as yours, the debate like this thread has gone on and on that is all mate, nothing personal.
"but when your arguement is as weak as yours" doesnt sound like someone who is happy with the way the conversation has gone
i think your argument is weak, think about that?
This is how debates go. There's no malice in what me & Skel are saying, if anything seems a bit harsh, it's just us taking the piss a bit which we do on this forum. None of us get upset by any of this ;)
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Originally Posted by erics44if you say you wasnt upset then you mustnt have been upset :)Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44read back through the thread dude, you said he would loose i said i thought he would win, and you got upset because i said you were wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
you still seem upset that i think he could win
and all this about liking boxing for boxing, thats all very very nice, well done
Upset lol
Mate this is what this place is about opinions and debates, but when your arguement is as weak as yours, the debate like this thread has gone on and on that is all mate, nothing personal.
"but when your arguement is as weak as yours" doesnt sound like someone who is happy with the way the conversation has gone
i think your argument is weak, think about that?
Well that is you fella, end of the day I have put across why I think he hasn't got a
chance until the last reply where you say:
"Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again"
That is the first bit of hard info you have given, prior to that it was your great knowledge of Murray that set you apart from the rest of us but then the cracks of this knowledge stared to appear when you said he has never looked like loosing, when he has already had one gift in his career. Like I say I have met and spoke to John and his trainer Joe few times great guys so this anti Brit bollocks you seen to have your knickers in a twist with does not exist only in your mind. ;)
"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Doesn't the fact that Murray struggled badly with a part-time Ice Cream man worry you slightly? Or the fact that he struggled away from home against a fairly limited Miguel Munguia over in the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Could that not be an indication that he might not travel well, or he might struggle against somebody with a bit of technical ability and skill? I mean in both those fights, he got pretty generous decisions.
You asked if I thought England would win it. I didn't, regardless of how much better they looked under Capello.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Like I said in my last post, I think you don't get that most people aside from ICB take things with humour & a pinch of salt here. You seem to think we're all hysterical on here. I don't think that not being upset by a debate on a boxing forum suddenly makes me Lenny McClean :rolleyes:
Ortiz has shown he can take that kind of pressure when he fought Nate Campbell. Murray took 9 or 10 to get rid Kudriatsev. At Lightweight, he'd have a shot at some of the titlists, even JMM if he slips a fair bit, but the 140lbers are just too big, strong & fast for him.
i watched the ice cream man fight, ok it wasnt a vintage performance but it was reasonably early in his carear and it wasnt as bad as everyone is making outQuote:
Originally Posted by onoDoesn't the fact that Murray struggled badly with a part-time Ice Cream man worry you slightly? Or the fact that he struggled away from home against a fairly limited Miguel Munguia over in the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Could that not be an indication that he might not travel well, or he might struggle against somebody with a bit of technical ability and skill? I mean in both those fights, he got pretty generous decisions.
turn the sound down and watch it again, the commentators dont help with their opinions, and if that is the closest he has come to loosing then I still havent seen him look any where near loosing
perhaps he doesnt travel, the time he fought in america was about the same time and again it wasnt a great performance but is it not posible he has learned from it?
so when asked would they win it you said england wont win the world cup? or did you say, they are in the top 6 in the world, they have a chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYou asked if I thought England would win it. I didn't, regardless of how much better they looked under Capello.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Like I said in my last post, I think you don't get that most people aside from ICB take things with humour & a pinch of salt here. You seem to think we're all hysterical on here. I don't think that not being upset by a debate on a boxing forum suddenly makes me Lenny McClean :rolleyes:
Ortiz has shown he can take that kind of pressure when he fought Nate Campbell. Murray took 9 or 10 to get rid Kudriatsev. At Lightweight, he'd have a shot at some of the titlists, even JMM if he slips a fair bit, but the 140lbers are just too big, strong & fast for him.
i dont really understand the second sentence of the second bit you wrote
is the size really that much of an issue? there have been plenty of examples recently of smaller fighters moving through the weights and doing well
I said I don't think they'd win the World Cup. I didn't dismiss their chances completely, I just didn't see it happening. I also wouldn't have personally considered them one of the Top 6 sides in the world at the time regardless of what the Fifa rankings were. I recognized they had a chance, but I didn't see the quality being there for anything better than the semi-finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44so when asked would they win it you said england wont win the world cup? or did you say, they are in the top 6 in the world, they have a chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYou asked if I thought England would win it. I didn't, regardless of how much better they looked under Capello.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Like I said in my last post, I think you don't get that most people aside from ICB take things with humour & a pinch of salt here. You seem to think we're all hysterical on here. I don't think that not being upset by a debate on a boxing forum suddenly makes me Lenny McClean :rolleyes:
Ortiz has shown he can take that kind of pressure when he fought Nate Campbell. Murray took 9 or 10 to get rid Kudriatsev. At Lightweight, he'd have a shot at some of the titlists, even JMM if he slips a fair bit, but the 140lbers are just too big, strong & fast for him.
i dont really understand the second sentence of the second bit you wrote
is the size really that much of an issue? there have been plenty of examples recently of smaller fighters moving through the weights and doing well
Ok my 2nd sentence mean = just because I don't get upset by random bloke on internet does not mean I suddenly think I'm Tony Montana (tell me if I'm using any cultural references that are foreign).
Most of the guys who move up through the weights are generally reliant on at least one of three factors - speed, power, technical skills. Pressure fighters like Murray who lack great power at their natural weightclass generally don't move through different weightclasses well. Look at guys like Juan Diaz or Ricky Hatton (who had a pretty good dig at 140) who didn't handle moving up in weight too well.
yep, thats my great knowledge of murrayQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
and ive watched the fight and it wasnt a gift, wasnt a vintage performance but definately didnt deserve to loose
again dude, i think you are still a little upset because there is no give, against ortiz you say murray will loose and has no chance, i say murray could win and his biggest worry is early power,
dont forget we arent just talking about ortiz, it is your opinion that Murray doesnt have a chance at world level, not enough movement, not enough power, struggles with movement, etc
and whether you are friends with him or not, that doesnt mean your opinion of his chances can be taken as more valid than mine or anybody elses
My mate phil works in a large supermarket, doesnt mean i know more about stacking shelves than you
will england win the next euros?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI said I don't think they'd win the World Cup. I didn't dismiss their chances completely, I just didn't see it happening. I also wouldn't have personally considered them one of the Top 6 sides in the world at the time regardless of what the Fifa rankings were. I recognized they had a chance, but I didn't see the quality being there for anything better than the semi-finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44so when asked would they win it you said england wont win the world cup? or did you say, they are in the top 6 in the world, they have a chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYou asked if I thought England would win it. I didn't, regardless of how much better they looked under Capello.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Like I said in my last post, I think you don't get that most people aside from ICB take things with humour & a pinch of salt here. You seem to think we're all hysterical on here. I don't think that not being upset by a debate on a boxing forum suddenly makes me Lenny McClean :rolleyes:
Ortiz has shown he can take that kind of pressure when he fought Nate Campbell. Murray took 9 or 10 to get rid Kudriatsev. At Lightweight, he'd have a shot at some of the titlists, even JMM if he slips a fair bit, but the 140lbers are just too big, strong & fast for him.
i dont really understand the second sentence of the second bit you wrote
is the size really that much of an issue? there have been plenty of examples recently of smaller fighters moving through the weights and doing well
Ok my 2nd sentence mean = just because I don't get upset by random bloke on internet does not mean I suddenly think I'm Tony Montana (tell me if I'm using any cultural references that are foreign).
Most of the guys who move up through the weights are generally reliant on at least one of three factors - speed, power, technical skills. Pressure fighters like Murray who lack great power at their natural weightclass generally don't move through different weightclasses well. Look at guys like Juan Diaz or Ricky Hatton (who had a pretty good dig at 140) who didn't handle moving up in weight too well.
i still dont understand your point sorry
Murray has a good knockout percentage and especially recently so perhaps he doesnt have 1 punch power but he wears fighters down, and i think your statement about only fighters with these skills move through the weights is pretty generalised. to really say your statement is accurate we would need to see some facts and figures, have you got any to back up your statement?
It wasn't that early in his career. He was 22-0 for the Munguia fight and 23-0 for the Al Hamidi fight. The Hamidi fight is 3 years after he won the WBC Youth Title, and i think this is what people are getting at with his record. He hasn't kicked on at all, probably through no fault of his own. He's been a pro for almost 7 years and he's still messing about with average domestic fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i watched the ice cream man fight, ok it wasnt a vintage performance but it was reasonably early in his carear and it wasnt as bad as everyone is making outQuote:
Originally Posted by onoDoesn't the fact that Murray struggled badly with a part-time Ice Cream man worry you slightly? Or the fact that he struggled away from home against a fairly limited Miguel Munguia over in the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Could that not be an indication that he might not travel well, or he might struggle against somebody with a bit of technical ability and skill? I mean in both those fights, he got pretty generous decisions.
turn the sound down and watch it again, the commentators dont help with their opinions, and if that is the closest he has come to loosing then I still havent seen him look any where near loosing
perhaps he doesnt travel, the time he fought in america was about the same time and again it wasnt a great performance but is it not posible he has learned from it?
I fail to see how he can move up to 140 and face a big and talented 140lber, who can dig to boot, and you'd be confident in him winning. Surely you can see why people have little belief in him doing well against Ortiz, or any other decent Light-Welterweight?
His style is about pressure, work-rate and breaking his opponents will. He's ok doing that domestically at 135, but doing that at world level at 140 is a massive jump.
hes a bit more than ok at itQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
but yep, i can see how people have their opinions
I also think its very easy to come to that conclusion when you see ortiz fighting in the glitter rings in america on big bills and murray on the undercard on itv, but lets see murray stood next to ortiz, lets see the size difference, and lets see how ortiz reacts when murray keeps coming
It doesnt look like the ortiz fight will ever happen, but im looking forward to seeing murray step up and by the sounds of things it is on the horrizon
Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yep, thats my great knowledge of murrayQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
and ive watched the fight and it wasnt a gift, wasnt a vintage performance but definately didnt deserve to loose
again dude, i think you are still a little upset because there is no give, against ortiz you say murray will loose and has no chance, i say murray could win and his biggest worry is early power,
dont forget we arent just talking about ortiz, it is your opinion that Murray doesnt have a chance at world level, not enough movement, not enough power, struggles with movement, etc
and whether you are friends with him or not, that doesnt mean your opinion of his chances can be taken as more valid than mine or anybody elses
My mate phil works in a large supermarket, doesnt mean i know more about stacking shelves than you
:rolleyes:
Do you just read little snippets off each post the digest them in your own little world? Where did I say my knowledge of Murray is superior to yours because I no him? My point and my reference to knowing Murray was the fact you seem to have a a little problem with people not bigging British fighters up because they are " British " so I made the point I know him I get on with him so if anything if I was bias I would be blowing smoke up his arse but quite the opposite, he is not world class at the end of the day and we will bump this thread when the day comes or if it comes when he steps up.
nope, you keep saying my knowledge of murray is rubbish and you keep saying you know murray, it seemed like you were linking the twoQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yep, thats my great knowledge of murrayQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
and ive watched the fight and it wasnt a gift, wasnt a vintage performance but definately didnt deserve to loose
again dude, i think you are still a little upset because there is no give, against ortiz you say murray will loose and has no chance, i say murray could win and his biggest worry is early power,
dont forget we arent just talking about ortiz, it is your opinion that Murray doesnt have a chance at world level, not enough movement, not enough power, struggles with movement, etc
and whether you are friends with him or not, that doesnt mean your opinion of his chances can be taken as more valid than mine or anybody elses
My mate phil works in a large supermarket, doesnt mean i know more about stacking shelves than you
:rolleyes:
Do you just read little snippets off each post the digest them in your own little world? Where did I say my knowledge of Murray is superior to yours because I no him? My point and my reference to knowing Murray was the fact you seem to have a a little problem with people not bigging British fighters up because they are " British " so I made the point I know him I get on with him so if anything if I was bias I would be blowing smoke up his arse but quite the opposite, he is not world class at the end of the day and we will bump this thread when the day comes or if it comes when he steps up.
as i have said from the start, i am looking forward to his step up and i think he has a very good chance of making it
and i'll be supporting him all the way
Name me a pressure fighter who has moved up successfully through different weightclasses? Just to be clear I'm talking about a guy who breaks opponents down with his will & workrate (which is what Murray generally does) rather than any particular physical qualities. Hatton moved up & picked up an alphabet at 147, but that's about it. I'll give you one.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44will england win the next euros?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI said I don't think they'd win the World Cup. I didn't dismiss their chances completely, I just didn't see it happening. I also wouldn't have personally considered them one of the Top 6 sides in the world at the time regardless of what the Fifa rankings were. I recognized they had a chance, but I didn't see the quality being there for anything better than the semi-finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44so when asked would they win it you said england wont win the world cup? or did you say, they are in the top 6 in the world, they have a chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYou asked if I thought England would win it. I didn't, regardless of how much better they looked under Capello.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first questionQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again
it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call
Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I? :rolleyes:
Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.
No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.
Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down
yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out
again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis
Like I said in my last post, I think you don't get that most people aside from ICB take things with humour & a pinch of salt here. You seem to think we're all hysterical on here. I don't think that not being upset by a debate on a boxing forum suddenly makes me Lenny McClean :rolleyes:
Ortiz has shown he can take that kind of pressure when he fought Nate Campbell. Murray took 9 or 10 to get rid Kudriatsev. At Lightweight, he'd have a shot at some of the titlists, even JMM if he slips a fair bit, but the 140lbers are just too big, strong & fast for him.
i dont really understand the second sentence of the second bit you wrote
is the size really that much of an issue? there have been plenty of examples recently of smaller fighters moving through the weights and doing well
Ok my 2nd sentence mean = just because I don't get upset by random bloke on internet does not mean I suddenly think I'm Tony Montana (tell me if I'm using any cultural references that are foreign).
Most of the guys who move up through the weights are generally reliant on at least one of three factors - speed, power, technical skills. Pressure fighters like Murray who lack great power at their natural weightclass generally don't move through different weightclasses well. Look at guys like Juan Diaz or Ricky Hatton (who had a pretty good dig at 140) who didn't handle moving up in weight too well.
i still dont understand your point sorry
Murray has a good knockout percentage and especially recently so perhaps he doesnt have 1 punch power but he wears fighters down, and i think your statement about only fighters with these skills move through the weights is pretty generalised. to really say your statement is accurate we would need to see some facts and figures, have you got any to back up your statement?
There is only one guy who has been a pressure fighter & jumped numerous weightclasses & that is Henry Armstrong. No one before or since has really managed it & John Murray is no Henry Armstrong. You could maybe make an argument for Jake LaMotta, but he was always a big welterweight who grew into the middleweight he was & was more comfortable for it.
Again & this is no disrespect to Murray but those are two genuinely great fighters who were also much stronger punchers. Fair enough you think that Murray could beat Ortiz but it took you nearly 5 pages to offer up that you think Murray's pressure would break him, all the while acting like you had some insight that no one else had thought of. No one is 'upset' by your comments, but if your going to position yourself somewhere in a debate you have to give something to back up your argument.
I wasn't linking the two but come on you have to admit for a Murray fan your knowledge of his career is not the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44nope, you keep saying my knowledge of murray is rubbish and you keep saying you know murray, it seemed like you were linking the twoQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yep, thats my great knowledge of murrayQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
and ive watched the fight and it wasnt a gift, wasnt a vintage performance but definately didnt deserve to loose
again dude, i think you are still a little upset because there is no give, against ortiz you say murray will loose and has no chance, i say murray could win and his biggest worry is early power,
dont forget we arent just talking about ortiz, it is your opinion that Murray doesnt have a chance at world level, not enough movement, not enough power, struggles with movement, etc
and whether you are friends with him or not, that doesnt mean your opinion of his chances can be taken as more valid than mine or anybody elses
My mate phil works in a large supermarket, doesnt mean i know more about stacking shelves than you
:rolleyes:
Do you just read little snippets off each post the digest them in your own little world? Where did I say my knowledge of Murray is superior to yours because I no him? My point and my reference to knowing Murray was the fact you seem to have a a little problem with people not bigging British fighters up because they are " British " so I made the point I know him I get on with him so if anything if I was bias I would be blowing smoke up his arse but quite the opposite, he is not world class at the end of the day and we will bump this thread when the day comes or if it comes when he steps up.
as i have said from the start, i am looking forward to his step up and i think he has a very good chance of making it
and i'll be supporting him all the way
page 1 post 9 (i think its my second post on the thread)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
ill have a think about fighters moving up the weights
will england win the next euros?
you keep saying my knowledge of murray is crapQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
the only reason you have given me is coz i said he hasnt come close to loosing and the evidence is the ice cream man fight, you said he was gifted a win, he wasnt, it was close but he deserved to win and if that is the closest he has come to loosing he hasnt come close to loosing
i saw that fight on tv when it happened and i didnt think he lost then and i dont now
you keep saying murray has no chance at world level, well i think this is more evidence that my knowledge of murray is better than yours
I reckon there's a good chance if we shift some of the older dead wood & bring through more of the young players. We look like we might have a genuinely world class keeper coming through in Hart, so I think winning the Euros is definitely a possibility, although right now I'd say the Germans, Dutch & the Spanish would be the favourites. A lot depends on how the youngsters come on in the next 2 seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44page 1 post 9 (i think its my second post on the thread)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
ill have a think about fighters moving up the weights
will england win the next euros?
I've gone back & read your post. I don't think it really justifies it, but fair enough I didn't see that so I'll retract that last comment.
So in the space of 24 hours you have gone from you might watch the fight with the Ice Cream man, to now saying you saw it live on tv? Which one is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you keep saying my knowledge of murray is crapQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
the only reason you have given me is coz i said he hasnt come close to loosing and the evidence is the ice cream man fight, you said he was gifted a win, he wasnt, it was close but he deserved to win and if that is the closest he has come to loosing he hasnt come close to loosing
i saw that fight on tv when it happened and i didnt think he lost then and i dont now
you keep saying murray has no chance at world level, well i think this is more evidence that my knowledge of murray is better than yours
Uh-oh, Skel has got Eric on the ropes! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983So in the space of 24 hours you have gone from you might watch the figh with the Ice Cream man, to now saying you saw it live on tv? Which one is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you keep saying my knowledge of murray is crapQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
the only reason you have given me is coz i said he hasnt come close to loosing and the evidence is the ice cream man fight, you said he was gifted a win, he wasnt, it was close but he deserved to win and if that is the closest he has come to loosing he hasnt come close to loosing
i saw that fight on tv when it happened and i didnt think he lost then and i dont now
you keep saying murray has no chance at world level, well i think this is more evidence that my knowledge of murray is better than yours