Ortiz v Murray could be on the Khan v Maidana undercard!

[erics44]

Mate, your post couldn't upset me, I just think you're our new comic foil here, spouting silly opinions with half-baked justfications so I thought I'd join in the debate. Can you name some kind of skills/attributes that Murray has over Ortiz to beat him? As I said Ortiz is bigger, stronger, faster & more skilled.

People did say to me before the most recent World Cup that England could win it & I disagreed but that was due to the quality of players and that I feel the likes of Terry, Lampard & Gerrard have been over-hyped in the EPL. If someone had said to me in 2002 that team could win the World Cup, I would have agreed because the team was more balanced imo & the opposition was on paper weaker. Amazingly it's not all a big anti-Brit conspiracy

ooo you sound tough, think you are too hard to crack do you?

Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again

it was easy to say before the world cup england had no chance or england dont have the players, and to win a world cup you need a lot of luck and a good cumble of the cake, so when it doesnt all go right its an easy easy call

Yes I've clearly been working hard to cultivate an image as some hardman haven't I?

Ortiz got broken by the hardest puncher at 140lbs, Murray hasn't shown that he can really crack at 135 & that's not even against stellar opposition.

No, the reason that it was easy to say that England wouldn't win the World Cup was because their top players had failed to perform on the international stage each time they were called upon, while other sides were just better. I'll admit that I didn't see Spain winning it because I felt that they were a bit one-dimensional, so I was clearly wrong there.

"Mate, your post couldn't upset me" yep, to your first question

Murray has stopped a lot of people, ok not at world class but he breaks people down, could ortiz take it for 9 or 10 rounds? I dont think so, i think he would wear him down

yes ortiz has a big punch, but also as i said earlier in the thread, Murrays biggest worry would be taking the power early, but he has a very good chin and Ortiz would have to land a lot of punches to knock him out

again dude its very very easy before a wold cup to say england arent gonna win it, before this last world cup they were in the top 6 in the world so they had a chance didnt they? uruaguy made the semis

You asked if I thought England would win it. I didn't, regardless of how much better they looked under Capello.

Like I said in my last post, I think you don't get that most people aside from ICB take things with humour & a pinch of salt here. You seem to think we're all hysterical on here. I don't think that not being upset by a debate on a boxing forum suddenly makes me Lenny McClean

Ortiz has shown he can take that kind of pressure when he fought Nate Campbell. Murray took 9 or 10 to get rid Kudriatsev. At Lightweight, he'd have a shot at some of the titlists, even JMM if he slips a fair bit, but the 140lbers are just too big, strong & fast for him.

so when asked would they win it you said england wont win the world cup? or did you say, they are in the top 6 in the world, they have a chance?

i dont really understand the second sentence of the second bit you wrote

is the size really that much of an issue? there have been plenty of examples recently of smaller fighters moving through the weights and doing well