Pacquiao talking bollox....

New excuses from pacman check out Boxing News to see his interview with Jimmy Kimmel :rolleyes:

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New excuses from pacman check out Boxing News to see his interview with Jimmy Kimmel :rolleyes:

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Very confusing. I do know that he was tested before the Morales fight, you know, the one in which he lost, he first said he blamed the blood test, he later blames the loss to his gloves. Now he claims he should no have to take a blood test because Floyd is bigger than him? That is the most outrageous excuse I have heard. He wont take the blood test not because Floyd is so much bigger (which he really isn't) he wont take the test because he knows he will come up dirty. Manny has contradicted himself plenty as to why he does not want to test. I smell a cheat.

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I can't see the video for copyright reasons, but if that is the excuse that Manny made then shame on him. He is out there doing lame interviews with idiots that simply won't call him out properly on his shenanigans. If he makes a weak answer I would like someone to follow up on that and challenge him, to show his excuses for what they really are....that they are bollocks! But no, Manny gets the sugarcoated treatment from the media because he can smile like a pixie and has a following.

Whenever Manny speaks about the blood testing it's very hard to swallow, but I think you have to put at least a good part of it down to the language barrier. I mean if english was his first language, he could be guilty as sin and still do a MUCH better job of skirting the question or providing some excuse than he has done. I do feel it is very likely he is juicing, but on some level I don't think it's fair at all to base it upon his response to questions about the issue. It would be just as difficult for him to clear himself through words were he in fact perfectly clean and there was something else stopping the fight from being signed behind the scenes.

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Whenever Manny speaks about the blood testing it's very hard to swallow, but I think you have to put at least a good part of it down to the language barrier. I mean if english was his first language, he could be guilty as sin and still do a MUCH better job of skirting the question or providing some excuse than he has done. I do feel it is very likely he is juicing, but on some level I don't think it's fair at all to base it upon his response to questions about the issue. It would be just as difficult for him to clear himself through words were he in fact perfectly clean and there was something else stopping the fight from being signed behind the scenes.

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he's made the same bullshit excuses in interviews in his native Philippines, his now infamous temper tantrum wasn't in english

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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Now you're being overtly dramatic. To my knowledge no one has died in the ring because the other guy was on PEDs. PEDs and loading up your gloves are different.

BTW no one has talked about the Mayweathers wanting the Olympic style drug testing in the 1st place because they believed that Manny is on some special Flip drug that can make you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets that Flips used in war and kept coming forward.

In their own words, it's not a steroid but a special drug that the Flip military secretly has. It's a special super human drugs Flips have. They lost all credibility right there.

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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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Now you're being overtly dramatic. To my knowledge no one has died in the ring because the other guy was on PEDs. PEDs and loading up your gloves are different.

BTW no one has talked about the Mayweathers wanting the Olympic style drug testing in the 1st place because they believed that Manny is on some special Flip drug that can make you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets that Flips used in war and kept coming forward.

In their own words, it's not a steroid but a special drug that the Flip military secretly has. It's a special super human drugs Flips have. They lost all credibility right there.

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Wait wait wait...now you're assuming I agree with Team Mayweather's reasoning. I do not.

I do not believe Pacquiao is on any type of drugs. I'm not even advocating taking the tests in my post.

All i'm saying is a test AFTER the fight is pointless because it could allow a fighter to be fighting with additional help. The tests, any type of drug test (blood or urine, i dont care) should be taken before the fight.

It's not fair to the opponent & it is dangerous. The first thing on the mind of the commission should be the health & safety of the fighters.

Maybe nobody has killed anyone with the help of PEDs or whatever, but my whole point is let's keep it that way. Let's not take chances.

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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.

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Originally Posted by The Promoter

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.

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I didn't know this. Manny went further to 24 days before the fight.

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The preceding links are ALL threads from Saddoboxing on the Pac/Mayweather blood test debacle, I suggest that unless you are representing a view not already covered in the previous threads maybe we should just let this die....................

seriously this is getting creepy how obsessed some of you are. Both sides are just yelling at walls now.

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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.

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Why is it that people keep thinking i'm siding with Mayweather on this? I'm not. I do not care what Team Mayweather thinks. I do not care what Team Pacquiao thinks.

I'm not debating time limits. I simply said somebody could cycle if they knew the dates of the tests & it's the truth. I didn't say "30 days is enough time to cycle around." Because I do not know this.

My point was taking the test after the fight is pointless. These tests are designed to PREVENT cheaters from competing. They (blood or urine or blood/urine or a math test) should be administered as closely as possible before the fight without effecting a fighter's health & as soon as the fight is over without effecting a fighter's health.

Why can't anyone see that?

I'm not siding with Mayweather & I'm not siding with Pacquiao. I don't care who is right or wrong.

Killersheep owned this thread.

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I second that.

Nothing could compete with that devastating array of links. Incredible work.

Manny Pacquiao seem to be equating the IQ of the wider world with that of his sycophants and their quixotic imaginations. The suggestion that God takes his attention away from the tumulteous suffering and problems of this world to take the side of Manny Pacquiao against an opponent who also happens to be a Christian, is just as ludicrous as the collage of excuses being presented on his behalf. Yeah right! God likes Manny Pacquiao more than he likes Miguel Cotto and Oscar DeLahoya, so he allowed Manny to beat them up. That is in effect what he is saying when he claims that God helps him to win fights. It is backward, assinine, and insults the intelligence of everyone at or above a second grade reading level.

Floyd Mayweather did not demand that Manny Pacquiao undergo random drug testing, contrary to the many retarded interpretations of his proposal. Floyd Mayweather proposed that both he and Manny subject themselves to random drug testing during the period leading up to the fight. I seek in vain to find difficult or intricate terminologies in the presentation of this proposal that justifies or explain the scattering of obtuse responses being vomitted up to obfuscate Manny's scared back pedalling. :rolleyes:

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Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

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Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

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Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

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Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

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I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

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Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

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Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

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I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

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Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

IF you really think that it takes up to a month before stuff clear off your body by these days, you're 20 years obsolete in your knowledge on the topic.

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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

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because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

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MANNY IF HE WAS ON PEDS AND FOUGHT FLOYD COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT BE A FUCKING RESTO VS COLLING SITUATION YOU IDIOT!!!!!!

THIS IS THE SHIT THAT PISSES ME OFF JUST PLAIN DUMB ASS IGNORANT COMMENTS!!!!!!!

HOW DOES A PERSON ON PEDS AND SOMEONE WITH LOADED GLOVES AND HALF THE PADDING TAKEN OUT COMPARE!!!!!!

IN WHAT FUCKING WAY!!!!!!!

YOU IDIOT!!!!

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Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

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I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

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Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

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Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

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I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

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Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

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Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

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superstitious of what?

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Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

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Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

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superstitious of what?

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Right or wrong a lot of people think having any sort of blood taken weakens them...I have some old relatives from Europe who come up with even more bizzare shit than this...Not saying right or wrong just saying he's superstitious and has offered other (just as valid) alternatives to taking blood...Why is Floyd so insistent on having blood drawn?...Boxing News 24 has a pretty good read on Manny's superstition...

Of Superstition & Old Wives’ Tales: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather

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Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

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superstitious of what?

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Right or wrong a lot of people think having any sort of blood taken weakens them...I have some old relatives from Europe who come up with even more bizzare shit than this...Not saying right or wrong just saying he's superstitious and has offered other (just as valid) alternatives to taking blood...Why is Floyd so insistent on having blood drawn?...Boxing News 24 has a pretty good read on Manny's superstition...

Of Superstition & Old Wives’ Tales: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather

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I really don't care about Pacquiao's feelings or superstitions. He's taken blood tests before, he took one for this fight with Clottey with no issue, and then less than a week later this video comes out with him saying he felt the blood test would give Mayweather an advantage because he's bigger, of course Clottey is going to weigh 15-20 pounds more than Mayweather would have. But none of this matters. You aren't going to convince me of your view and I'm certainly not going to convince you of my views. The fact is that these views have been presented at great length in thousands of posts, in dozens of threads. Not really any point in duscussing it further. The fight isn't going to happen and that's fine there's a whole line up of great fights coming up that I don't have to listen to two diva's whining about conspiracies and superstitions. I don't take either fighters side anymore, they're both divas. Screw them and screw doing damage control, it's not worth it. We have Berto/Quintana, Cunningham/Godfrey, Latimore/Powell II, Arreola/Adamek, Maidana/Cayo, Guzman/Funeka II, Caballero/Yordan, Pavlik/Martinez, Angulo/Julio, Ortiz/Campbell, Pascal/Dawson, The Super Six fights, Vazquez/Marquez IV, Perez/Mares, Macklin/Ghevor, and hopefully Hasegawa/Montiel. All of those fights are great, they're all coming up soon, you don't have to pay for PPV and you don't have to pull up any tabloid internet articles to justify why they aren't fighting each other, they're just going to fight.

Don't we have a Pacquiao/ Mayweather board for this sort of drool :confused:

the thread is about an interview manny pacquiao did a week ago. There have previously been no threads regarding that interview.

For a 'dead' topic there is still a very alive amount of discussion.

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I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

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Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

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Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

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I did, and if YOU did it well, he explained that it could be cleared within 5 days and still have effects, hence why the boxing instance should change their system. Today, blood draws are necessary to have the full combo test, every olympians are doing so and for a reason: because it's where the best steroids are, by these days, found and mostly developed. The "needle" thing and superstition are just an empty excuses, Manny can lose blood while getting tattooed but not via a blood draw? are you laughing at me or what? only urine isn't enough to detect everything, all the biggest specialists agree on it, We've copied tons of sources here before on that matter, is that so hard to understand or what?

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Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

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Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.

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I did, and if YOU did it well, he explained that it could be cleared within 5 days and still have effects, hence why the boxing instance should change their system. Today, blood draws are necessary to have the full combo test, every olympians are doing so and for a reason: because it's where the best steroids are, by these days, found and mostly developed. The "needle" thing and superstition are just an empty excuses, Manny can lose blood while getting tattooed but not via a blood draw? are you laughing at me or what? only urine isn't enough to detect everything, all the biggest specialists agree on it, We've copied tons of sources here before on that matter, is that so hard to understand or what?

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Those PED's he's describing are not Steroids, go to ANY gym find the biggest guys and ask if ANY steroid will have benefits within 5 days...It's ridiculous that you would even suggest that. Olympians are tested for everything randomly from asthma inhalers, cold syrups, blood doping, legal and illegal narcotics, blood comparison testing and even excess caffeine...You really don't know enough about drug testing, again research:

Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Which could be performed on Urine, Hair and even Spit with the same accuracy as blood tests for steroids...Again we are talking about blood test up to a month before, Urine, hair,Spit, whatever for the month preceding and a blood test immediately following...This would still be the MOST thorough testing EVER conducting for a boxing event in history!

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Still posting on dead topics....

But the main thing this post says to me is that you're in desperate need of sex..... or a life.... more than likely both....

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Still posting on dead topics....

But the main thing this post says to me is that you're in desperate need of sex..... or a life.... more than likely both....

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seems somebody got his panties in a bunch....

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Still posting on dead topics....

But the main thing this post says to me is that you're in desperate need of sex..... or a life.... more than likely both....

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seems somebody got his panties in a bunch....

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I know, fancy spending time making a pie chart in a vague attempt to ridicule....

As I say though, for one reason or another, some people have far too much time on their hands.