Quote Originally Posted by skel1983 View Post

Well that is you fella, end of the day I have put across why I think he hasn't got a
chance until the last reply where you say:

"Murray is a very determind hard man, ortiz heart has been broken before, i think murray could do it again"

That is the first bit of hard info you have given, prior to that it was your great knowledge of Murray that set you apart from the rest of us but then the cracks of this knowledge stared to appear when you said he has never looked like loosing, when he has already had one gift in his career. Like I say I have met and spoke to John and his trainer Joe few times great guys so this anti Brit bollocks you seen to have your knickers in a twist with does not exist only in your mind.
yep, thats my great knowledge of murray

and ive watched the fight and it wasnt a gift, wasnt a vintage performance but definately didnt deserve to loose

again dude, i think you are still a little upset because there is no give, against ortiz you say murray will loose and has no chance, i say murray could win and his biggest worry is early power,

dont forget we arent just talking about ortiz, it is your opinion that Murray doesnt have a chance at world level, not enough movement, not enough power, struggles with movement, etc

and whether you are friends with him or not, that doesnt mean your opinion of his chances can be taken as more valid than mine or anybody elses

My mate phil works in a large supermarket, doesnt mean i know more about stacking shelves than you